What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Well, they lost the best writer in XIV for XVI to let someone who is apparently obsessed with trying to make people cry and power of friendship speeches... Yeah the old writer is still around but his involvement in ShB and EW is very minimal.

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Ishikawa has been incredibly disappointing which is a real shame considering how much the fandom desperately tries to hype her up. And yet the best thing she can do is deliver simpering tea parties and only put the apocalypse in two zones and can't even figure out how to threaten the Scions in a convincing way? Is this really what the entire fandom has been screaming and crying about for years as the most amazing Final Fantasy writer in existence? Someone who wants to make us have tea parties?

I'm sorry but she's such a disappointment. Endwalker really could have been something but instead we got a wet blanket of an expansion. Imagine what could have been if this were in the hands of the Heavensward guy.

In unrelated news, I am greatly looking forward to FF16! Can't explain why.

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Originally Posted by Nilroreo

This point is actually kinda interesting cuz it ties into one specific issue I have in regard to stakes in Endwalker. I've seen others defend the Ultima Thule segment claiming that death was never the point to begin with and that the scions have already reached their "final forms," having long conquered the source of their own despair. This same argument is also used to defend the deceptively tame nature of the Final days that we experienced. But this defense is precisely why I find the conflict this time around to be fairly weak. When working with a setting that has been long stripped of the root of its despair, why hand the main antagonist of your final arc a weapon specifically designed to target, and exploit said despair? If nearly everyone in your story is bulletproof, why give the bad guy a gun?

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Because they chickened out. I mean, I dragged one specific person already in this post but let's face it, Endwalker was a group effort. It takes a lot of people to make a story like that where it has some really good parts! ...but then utterly collapses in on itself. It's not even that bad but it's also not good either, it's in a frustrating mediocre valley.

I paid money for this, guys. I paid money for this. Otherwise I might not be so put out.

I also paid for the expansion and really enjoyed it :p It was a good ending for the story arc in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

I also paid for the expansion and really enjoyed it :p It was a good ending for the story arc in my opinion.

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Same here. Bought the collectors edition since 1.0. Love the stories of each.

6.0 for me felt a bit rushed and short but is still a very good ending to the arc that started since 1.0. So excited for 6.1 and where they will take our adventurer.

One thing that I hoped towards the end but did not materialize was for our respective job trainers to at lest make an appearance to help us. I was hoping that as we were making our way towards the end and a lot of people are helping us that our trainers would make an appearance to help. Like if I am using ninja then Oboro will ride with me on the ship to help his former student and comrade or appear at the end summoned like Emet and Hylo haha. I want to believe that while we may have surpassed our trainers that they are still very strong in their own right :)

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Originally Posted by Rise-chu

I paid money for this, guys. I paid money for this. Otherwise I might not be so put out.

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I’m upset i bought a 60 day sub for it lmao.

I dunno I thought it was incredible.

I feel kinda disillusioned with the '' mainstream '' where games like GoW and TLOU or even HZD are put up on a pedestal as '' the greats '' of game story-telling, if they were movies they'd be average at best and they try too hard to be '' artsy '' imo.
Ultimately they're incredibly beyond generic and indulge very heavily in extremely tired movie tropes ( the sad dad thing in particular ), to some extent EW did have the sad dad thing too but it was definitely not the same thing at all.
It's even a thing game directors will brag about how '' we're doing what movies do, wow look at us with our movie scripts and one cut ''.
It's the same with AoT which gets brought up too I have no clue why people act like it's revolutionary the same themes and story have been done to death.
I kinda feel like if something is sad and brooding + blood and gore with dramatic music with vocals going '' OOoAOOOOoAAAAAAAAaAAAAAAH '' and/ or a kid and parent people will treat it like art.

Same with female characters, all it takes is for them to be frumpy and modest and people will act like they're top tier best female character ever created and written.
I feel like people are extremely shallow about this and how they judge stories and characters ( I've seen this a lot with Aloy and Mikasa it's so transparent and often they'll even admit it ).

I still think that what Venat did was kinda messed up I don't think it's meant to be a 100% good thing but more of a necessary evil ( there's a lot of comparisons to God people can make too, and how religious people have to adress the question why suffering exists ).
I also don't think that everything needs to be grey, we've already had grey villains and heroes in FFXIV it's fine to have more straight forward stuff too and ultimately it's kinda necessary for a position to be taken in a game like this.
FFXIV could be said to be a bit of a soap opera too like the rest but I don't feel like it's so unapologetically generic about it at least.
I think EW was very bold and took very big risks that I honestly wasn't sure about at first but had a huge payoff, and I also appreciate that it made me cry for other reasons than just '' wow it's so sad '' I felt a lot of different emotions at the same time most of it was happy tears.

It's not for everyone nothing will be liked by everyone.
But damn does it deserve its praise so much more than the other big titles people put up on a pedestal.
Same goes for Anime too all it takes is good animation and wow best thing ever created apparently.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

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I think the difference is, for me i’m not really a fan of GoW but i can tell when they put a lot of effort into its story or surroundings etc and that was something that was lacking for me in EW. It felt to me like they just wanted to rush it all out and were already tired of the expansion. The extreme pacing issues,plethora of dropped plot points,and theme contradictions seem to point this way very well.A lot of the time it felt like i was playing a slice of life anime game which…is kind of bad considering it’s supposed to be an expansion focused on a world shattering apocalypse. I also think 14 is pretty artsy and mainstream like those other games you mentioned. A large portion of the playerbase regards the game as perfect and best mmo story, best video game story period etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I dunno I thought it was incredible.

I feel kinda disillusioned with the '' mainstream '' where games like GoW and TLOU or even HZD are put up on a pedestal as '' the greats '' of game story-telling, if they were movies they'd be average at best and they try too hard to be '' artsy '' imo.
Ultimately they're incredibly beyond generic and indulge very heavily in extremely tired movie tropes ( the sad dad thing in particular ), to some extent EW did have the sad dad thing too but it was definitely not the same thing at all.
It's even a thing game directors will brag about how '' we're doing what movies do, wow look at us with our movie scripts and one cut ''.
It's the same with AoT which gets brought up too I have no clue why people act like it's revolutionary the same themes and story have been done to death.
I kinda feel like if something is sad and brooding + blood and gore with dramatic music with vocals going '' OOoAOOOOoAAAAAAAAaAAAAAAH '' and/ or a kid and parent people will treat it like art.

Same with female characters, all it takes is for them to be frumpy and modest and people will act like they're top tier best female character ever created and written.
I feel like people are extremely shallow about this and how they judge stories and characters ( I've seen this a lot with Aloy and Mikasa it's so transparent and often they'll even admit it ).

I still think that what Venat did was kinda messed up I don't think it's meant to be a 100% good thing but more of a necessary evil ( there's a lot of comparisons to God people can make too, and how religious people have to adress the question why suffering exists ).
I also don't think that everything needs to be grey, we've already had grey villains and heroes in FFXIV it's fine to have more straight forward stuff too and ultimately it's kinda necessary for a position to be taken in a game like this.
FFXIV could be said to be a bit of a soap opera too like the rest but I don't feel like it's so unapologetically generic about it at least.
I think EW was very bold and took very big risks that I honestly wasn't sure about at first but had a huge payoff, and I also appreciate that it made me cry for other reasons than just '' wow it's so sad '' I felt a lot of different emotions at the same time most of it was happy tears.

It's not for everyone nothing will be liked by everyone.
But damn does it deserve its praise so much more than the other big titles people put up on a pedestal.
Same goes for Anime too all it takes is good animation and wow best thing ever created apparently.

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Watch Guin Saga, Record of Lodoss War, Berserk and Legend of Arslan. Very good animes. Wish they would update Record of Lodoss War to modern anime like they did with Legend of Arslan :)

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Originally Posted by Garet

Watch Guin Saga, Record of Lodoss War, Berserk and Legend of Arslan. Very good animes. Wish they would update Record of Lodoss War to modern anime like they did with Legend of Arslan :)

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Oh man, I haven't seen anyone mention Legend of Arslan in years. I haven't seen the remake, but I loved the original. RG Veda was also fantastic, but unfortunately the anime was never completed.

i find it OK, good for mmo standard, but really mediocore for rpg/books/movie standard...

don't like how they suddenly bring up meteion and make her a last boss, i don't even pity her because the time we spend together is pnly a few hour... bit that's all that bugs me

the worst part is how people who like it treat it like a godly story and refuse to disscuss whats good and bad, because to them yoshida and ishikawa is god that can't make any mistake

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

Oh man, I haven't seen anyone mention Legend of Arslan in years. I haven't seen the remake, but I loved the original. RG Veda was also fantastic, but unfortunately the anime was never completed.

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I still prefer the art and tone of the original Arslan but the remake did go a bit further than the original on the story :) I do hope that if they do a remake of the Record of Lodoss War that they do maintain the original character's tone and characteristic more faithfully.

Just for Nostalgia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohw1dkJYNMY