Final Fantasy XIV and a Culture of Enabling

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

This was kind of touched upon earlier on the thread, but it definitely seems like a problem with today’s generation. They don’t want to think for themselves. It’s like when the new demon souls remake came out and there was a whole spheal on people protesting for an easy mode for the game. It seems like not a lot of people want to put in any work into anything anymore.

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Sure does feel like today generation I am not a against basic tutorials to get you on your feet. But when we get to the point players cant figure out that AOE ability is the most effective option against a pack of mobs!!! One cant help but start to question where is gaming and its players are going.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

:confused: Whatever happen to the days of figuring things out and not needing hand holding in every part of the game.

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It died quite a long time ago. In both single player and MMO's mind you. In the old days a single player game wasn't going to tell you every step to take, now most do, with maps and markers and a compass, etc.

This thread is so weird. Like OP is probably a troll, but ironically half the people in this thread are proving his point as well.

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Originally Posted by HisShadowX

And this is why you are confused why people on the NN network do not approve or like you. You have to understand not everyone plays like you. I understand not everyone plays like me. I have played WoW since the beginning, but never got to level 60 until my favorite class was added to the game many years later. I would keep on deleting and remaking characters for years.

People play this game at their own speed even the developers have acknowledged this. This is why the developers make ARR's MSQ last two dungeons the scenes unskippable so new players would not get booted for wanting to watch the story unfold.

If you keep thinking everyone who does not think like you is a troll or not real, you will remain obvious as you are. Sometimes you have to understand sometimes its not other people who are the problem, but rather you. If you have the entire Novice Network against you.... you most likely are the problem and need to take time to look at yourself in the mirror to reflect.

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The irony of your two posts is almost palpable.

This is not a single player game it is a multiplayer one where you rely on your teammates to get things done. You can play it like a single player game if you want but not everyone has the time nor the want to spend years on simple things that would normally be consumed in months.
This honestly read like someone who got mad the ending of Titanic was spoiled when it has already been out for years.

The msq of ffxiv is largely single player and it's fine if you want to take your time but if you're not going to respect my time in good faith as your peer, in a multiplayer game, then it really doesn't matter if everyone plays like me have fun getting kicked out of dungeons and taking months or years to complete them.

I may actually delve deeper into your two posts later if I have time but just know this you are on one of the extreme ends of the spectrum and it doesn't make you any better than the other end you seem to dislike so much.

Edit: Spelling.

I'm not really sure why it matters why a player may need some extra tools or an extra hand to help them learn the game. I mean, first off the "why" doesn't really impact you and, secondly, the whole point is just that they learn, right? I mean, that's what everyone has their panties in a knot over, isn't it? That the stupid, bad, terrible, awful bads and randoms just need to "get good." Surely it doesn't matter how they "get good" as long as they do. Unless, of course, that's not what the issue is.

Anyway, some people have mentioned that leechers and lazy players will still exist even with better teaching tools in game. Of course they will. You can lead a horse to water and all that. I mean, we have players in FF14 who literally buy their Ultimate clears. I would imagine most of them probably know how to play the game at least somewhat well but they're not good enough (or are just too lazy) to actually do the fight themselves properly so they buy the clear. That seems pretty lazy and leechlike to me and it's got nothing to do with running daily roulettes.

The point of teaching tools is to allow more players to actually grasp what the game is asking of them in a way that may be more comfortable to them than deciphering tool tips or reading a discord. It puts the tools right in front of their face and in their hands. It also means that, frankly, later on if they refuse to play properly they don't have anyone to blame (which, again, is supposed to be part of the issue raised in this thread, right?)

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Well there's only two possible scenarios.

1: OP is greatly exaggerating how many horrendous players they encounter

2: There is a serious problem going on in NA

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Got it in one. I play in NA, have played for years, and do pretty much everything via DF. Are there truly terrible players? Of course, but it's extremely extremely rare to run into one. Most of the players are perfectly capable of playing their jobs and roles well enough to get through any of the casual content in the game without any real issue. They may not be amazing (and I know I'm not amazing) but they are no where near the complete disaster that some people in this thread seem to think are running rampant and destroying the game.

Page after page of words defending and covering for bad play and leeching. Is it really so hard to agree these types of players need to get off society's back?

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Page after page of words defending and covering for bad play and leeching. Is it really so hard to agree these types of players need to get off society's back?

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I mean, page after page of pointless whining and running in circles that won't get anything done. Is it really so hard to agree that SE won't be doing anything and that you need to see how you can resolve these issues for yourself?

It's not even worth trying to argue with you anymore about how pretty much no one in this thread is actually trying to defend this behavior or 'cover for' it, because you ignore it anyway.

SAdly for OP and those who agree with them... Everyone who plays FFXIV has already met Square's criteria to play... they bought the game and pay their sub. That's all Square is going to require of anyone to play the game, Yoshi-P has stated repeatedly he wants the game accessible to anyone who wants to play.

If you don't like the way someone plays in Duty Finder, don't use it, blacklist the person so they aren't paired with you, use party finder and only allow those whom you feel are up to your standards of play - these tools are readily available to you so you aren't bothered by someone's poor play.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

I mean, page after page of pointless whining and running in circles that won't get anything done. Is it really so hard to agree that SE won't be doing anything and that you need to see how you can resolve these issues for yourself?

It's not even worth trying to argue with you anymore about how pretty much no one in this thread is actually trying to defend this behavior or 'cover for' it, because you ignore it anyway.

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No one:

Caurcas: stop defending bad play and leeching! you're whats wrong with the game!

Thing is, as much as you might not like it, I am correct.