Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

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Originally Posted by gumas

so please, please, stay in your country once we back to mainland later, iam done with this cat

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She'll show up about as much as Hien does outside of the expansion.
Hopefully less, if the VA strike goes badly.

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Originally Posted by Benjo

Maybe they kill her off sooner or later

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TBH im kind of scared of them killing her off cus if they do that, what if they turn it into another Haurchefant, only this time she doesnt deserve to be memorialized? Its gonna be so much HELL for me to keep getting flashbacks of her with my WoL looking pained as fuck when in reality I HATE HER SO MUCH. And then what if they do another of those remembering the past things like in EW? We will NEVER be fre from her AT ALL.

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

umm..... so I went to certain solo duty lv98, decided to literally doing nothing and this happen

i didn't even dodge..... and this is on default difficulty btw...

so, why are we still here?

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The rest of the MSQ was a visual novel so I am not surprised it stayed true to form here tbh.

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Originally Posted by Mnemy

TBH im kind of scared of them killing her off cus if they do that, what if they turn it into another Haurchefant, only this time she doesnt deserve to be memorialized? Its gonna be so much HELL for me to keep getting flashbacks of her with my WoL looking pained as fuck when in reality I HATE HER SO MUCH. And then what if they do another of those remembering the past things like in EW? We will NEVER be fre from her AT ALL.

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turn her into a villain we then have to kill xD

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Originally Posted by Mnemy

TBH im kind of scared of them killing her off cus if they do that, what if they turn it into another Haurchefant, only this time she doesnt deserve to be memorialized? Its gonna be so much HELL for me to keep getting flashbacks of her with my WoL looking pained as fuck when in reality I HATE HER SO MUCH. And then what if they do another of those remembering the past things like in EW? We will NEVER be fre from her AT ALL.

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If they kill her, we can have a party instead of the memorial that Haurchefant had at fan fest.

https://i.imgur.com/ddbpUXX.png

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't shake the feeling, that she's going to come with us. Koana will stay in Tural and rule and she will become our millstone...

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Mm, as a SGE I just let Alisae and Krille lay dead (Alisae is pretty easy to kill)

Then sat down.

https://gyazo.com/472574edda361cefdc85aa2135fcdbcf.jpg

It's just pathetic. Someone at SE needs to apologize for cap like this.

Edit: I mean look at the useless Furry tank, She doesn't even bothering moving out of Vulns. But she's unkillable, fills a DPS needs, and is immune to all mechanics.

You simply don't even need to bother to play the game.

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HER NPC IS UNKILLABLE?! AW HELL NAW SOMEONE IN SE HAS SOME SERIOUS WUKIE BONER FOR HER

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Originally Posted by Benjo

turn her into a villain we then have to kill xD

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She better be a hated villain like Valens and not a villain they designed for us to sympathise with like Emet, Elidibus, and Sphene(THIS FAILED FOR ME THO) So we will not have some painful and fond flashbacks like what they are doing with emet selch LOL

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

umm..... so I went to certain solo duty lv98, decided to literally doing nothing and this happen

i didn't even dodge..... and this is on default difficulty btw...

so, why are we still here?

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So everything I did that fight was for nothing?

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Originally Posted by gumas

so please, please, stay in your country once we back to mainland later, iam done with this cat

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lmao, no that is definitely not happening, her brother will rule the kingdom and she will travel with you.

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Originally Posted by Lak14

lmao, no that is definitely not happening, her brother will rule the kingdom and she will travel with you.

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Patch 7.1-7.5 will be Wuk Lamat convincing the WoL to live in Tural under her rule, taking that offered administrative duty which is boring paperwork that chains the WoL to a desk, so Wuk Lamat can go out adventuring.
Patch 8.0 will make everyone play as Wuk Lamat.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Patch 7.1-7.5 will be Wuk Lamat convincing the WoL to live in Tural under her rule, taking that offered administrative duty which is boring paperwork that chains the WoL to a desk, so Wuk Lamat can go out adventuring.
Patch 8.0 will make everyone play as Wuk Lamat.

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Devs got tired of complaints about hats on Viera and Hrothgar. From now on you ONLY ever play as a Hrothgar in a hat. One single Hrothgar. One single hat. Square Enix starts selling Wuk Lamat NFTs. All the money from ffxiv and NFTs goes towards making Forspoken sequels, except the main character is also Wuk Lamat.

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Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa

Devs got tired of complaints about hats on Viera and Hrothgar. From now on you ONLY ever play as a Hrothgar in a hat. One single Hrothgar. One single hat. Square Enix starts selling Wuk Lamat NFTs. All the money from ffxiv and NFTs goes towards making Forspoken sequels, except the main character is also Wuk Lamat.

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Originally Posted by Mnemy

She better be a hated villain like Valens and not a villain they designed for us to sympathise with like Emet, Elidibus, and Sphene(THIS FAILED FOR ME THO) So we will not have some painful and fond flashbacks like what they are doing with emet selch LOL

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Don't worry. If it's this writing team try to do it, I'm 99% sure they'll manage to achieve the opposite effect. I figure them trying to make a sympathetic Wuk just gonna make us want to off her even more, so yeah go for it.

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Originally Posted by Raven2014

Don't worry. If it's this writing team try to do it, I'm 99% sure they'll manage to achieve the opposite effect. I figure them trying to make a sympathetic Wuk just gonna make us want to off her even more, so yeah go for it.

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That is true but the thought of the current writer still being employed for them to be able to write whats next is the real horror story LOL

I much prefer WL to be Hienified instead, I dunno what the man did but he never appeared again in anyway shape or form that matters LOL

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

umm..... so I went to certain solo duty lv98, decided to literally doing nothing and this happen
https://i.imgur.com/EKRDQb1.png
i didn't even dodge..... and this is on default difficulty btw...

so, why are we still here?

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If this can be done in trusts/duty support then it looks like Miss Mary Sue became a free FC (Fell Cleave) burn party leader. If it's possible to see how many DT dungeons can be won by "Player wins by doing absolutely nothing"? (besides leading the npcs around)

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Originally Posted by Antharaes

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't shake the feeling, that she's going to come with us. Koana will stay in Tural and rule and she will become our millstone...

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It's going to be one hell of a 2 years / 8.0 expansion if the legit plan the writers have had since before Dawntrail's release is ultimately the path of "Wuk Lamat will join the scions permanently by 7.5" because that'll be one hell of a storm that'll be fun to watch the community go through given how split she is with everyone.

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Originally Posted by Bellybell

umm..... so I went to certain solo duty lv98, decided to literally doing nothing and this happen
https://i.imgur.com/EKRDQb1.png
i didn't even dodge..... and this is on default difficulty btw...

so, why are we still here?

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I saw this and my alt was reaching this part of the story so I had to try it out and....yup.... you can literally afk the whole fight and it still completes itself (what is this, an autoplay mobile game?)

On a side note, you can still fail it if you stand in too many aoes before Alisaie can heal you back, tho you'd need to be intentionally standing in them sooo....

Seriously where is this cat when endsinger doom us all, she can just solo her np, zenos took wrong person, he should simp for wuk lamat instead of us, also graha should summon her in shadowbringer instead kf us and scion, she will united everyone with taco

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Originally Posted by Benjo

Maybe they kill her off sooner or later

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https://i.imgur.com/EA75NuV.png

don't go to sleep

https://i.imgur.com/E2vbT1W.png

this should be the proper cover for dawntrail

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Originally Posted by gumas

this should be the proper cover for dawntrail

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Why is Valigarmanda still in it? Stupid turkey got shotgunned in one trial and that was it, hardly cover poster worthy.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Amen to this.
But I guess this trend of the WoL, "needing help" started back in Shadowbringers, and Shadowbringers was so successful they've sought to copy it twice now with how end trial fights resolve. Azem Stone into 8 man WoL team into villain nearly beats them with his big attack, into the WoL getting hypercharged by powers outside of the fight.

In Hades's fight, it was the Lightwarden light combining with The Blessing Light to both shield and increase damage from the WoL team. In Endwalker it's the Prayer bubble from the Scions that save WoL from Meteion's death surge of Dynamis. In Dawntrail... WoL is beating Sphene like a redheaded stepchild, and Wuk Lamat steps in anyway, super buffed, super buffing WoL and it goes from a murder to, "Stop, stop, she's already dead!"

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The Dev team seems like a cargo cult of Shadowbringers now, wanting to copy everything Shadowbringers have done, not realizing what and why things work in Shadowbringers. Somehow they seem to think things that happen don't have to make sense on their own, just superficially resemble what has happened in Shadowbringers and people will just like it.

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

The whole "you just want everyone to suck WoL's dick all the time" has been brought up and dismantled so many times it's getting really tiresome.

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You know what, I am one of those players who hated it when "everyone suck WoL's dick all the time", part of why I don't like EW that much is this, I am getting tired of not going two steps without everyone going how awesome the WoL is (other people think we earned it, and I can respect that, but I personally hated that). And also part of why G'raha wasn't my cup of tea in Shadowbringers.

But I still dislike 7.0 and how Wuk Lamat was handled. I don't mind taking a backseat, I like seeing other characters succeed and be praised. But Wuk Lamat in 7.0 is not how to do it. The writing is atrocious regarding this character. It's like taking the worst simping aimed at WoL, ramped it up to 100, and apply to an NPC we didn't even know two seconds ago. Is it any wonder that it grates on so many people's nerves?

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Originally Posted by ArcturusWhisper

You know what, I am one of those players who hated it when "everyone suck WoL's dick all the time", part of why I don't like EW that much is this, I am getting tired of not going two steps without everyone going how awesome the WoL is (other people think we earned it, and I can respect that, but I personally hated that). And also part of why G'raha wasn't my cup of tea in Shadowbringers.

But I still dislike 7.0 and how Wuk Lamat was handled. I don't mind taking a backseat, I like seeing other characters succeed and be praised. But Wuk Lamat in 7.0 is not how to do it. The writing is atrocious regarding this character. It's like taking the worst simping aimed at WoL, ramped it up to 100, and apply to an NPC we didn't even know two seconds ago. Is it any wonder that it grates on so many people's nerves?

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What sucks is 7.0 was an opportunity to appease both groups of players. Some key characters (Gulool Ja Ja, Koana, etc...) could've acknowledged the WoL's place in stopping the Final Days (probably should be called something else in Tulilloyal) but pretty much nobody else would've had knowledge of who we are. Instead, people turning into monsters and going on a rampage aren't acknowledged at all, which just felt cheap and lazy.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

What sucks is 7.0 was an opportunity to appease both groups of players. Some key characters (Gulool Ja Ja, Koana, etc...) could've acknowledged the WoL's place in stopping the Final Days (probably should be called something else in Tulilloyal) but pretty much nobody else would've had knowledge of who we are. Instead, people turning into monsters and going on a rampage aren't acknowledged at all, which just felt cheap and lazy.

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People excuse the "no mention of Final Days in Tuliyollal" with "well the Final Days didn't affect them" which is technically correct but narratively a disaster. And as you said, we can have Gulool Ja Ja and Koana mentioned it, which would be very appropriate - for a leader of a nation to know such threats, and for Koana who's literally in Sharlayan. But no, we better forget everything regarding what came before! This is a new start! It is extremely cheap and lazy!

And talking about "appease both groups of players", I feel like they have actually mastered the opposite. And yes I am talking about the scions. I am a scion lover, so I rather like seeing them around. I know that a lot of people hated them, and I even agree that narratively it's a good time to retire them at this point as a "new start", let new characters shine etc etc. I wouldn't mind them all becoming real background NPCs that don't appear in quests now, and we can go visit at our leisure if we wanted to. But I personally think it's still possible to write good stories if you DO include them.

But what did the Devs do in the end? The devs decided that we are not going to retire the scions. But we are also not going to actually write them at all. On the one hand, we DRAG the scions along on everything still, so people who hated them would hate that. But while we drag them along still, they don't DO anything, and their dialogues are so generic and devoid of character that you can substitute them with a generic NPC, so those of us who love them feel they are as good as not there at all. Can you imagine a better way to just piss off everyone?! :)

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

What sucks is 7.0 was an opportunity to appease both groups of players. Some key characters (Gulool Ja Ja, Koana, etc...) could've acknowledged the WoL's place in stopping the Final Days (probably should be called something else in Tulilloyal) but pretty much nobody else would've had knowledge of who we are. Instead, people turning into monsters and going on a rampage aren't acknowledged at all, which just felt cheap and lazy.

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^ This is absolutely what should have happened. the Final Days should have left a mark, GJJ as a national ruler should have had some intel on what happened overseas and Koana should have had information if not from his Sharlayan contacts then at least Thancred and Urianger. Just have them acknowledge "oh this person escorting around our princess is the godkiller champion of all existence, let's not act like dicks" and leave it at that, no one else needed to know, other than some commentary on the actual Final Days and blasphemies. We could even have a quick 5 second intro as to how GJJ and the Landsguard put down the blasphemies until they suddenly stopped appearing.

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Originally Posted by Zaniel

^ This is absolutely what should have happened. the Final Days should have left a mark, GJJ as a national ruler should have had some intel on what happened overseas and Koana should have had information if not from his Sharlayan contacts then at least Thancred and Urianger. Just have them acknowledge "oh this person escorting around our princess is the godkiller champion of all existence, let's not act like dicks" and leave it at that, no one else needed to know, other than some commentary on the actual Final Days and blasphemies. We could even have a quick 5 second intro as to how GJJ and the Landsguard put down the blasphemies until they suddenly stopped appearing.

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What really sucks is that the Final Days could've been used as a real storytelling opportunity. Upon finding out who we are, Zoraal Ja could've actually felt threatened because we were helping Wuk. Instead of the stupid throwaway line of "This one's dangerous." (Or something to that effect) Once he saw that Wuk had us on her side he could've realized she was an actual threat to his ascension to Dawnservant, he could've become more desperate and unhinged as time went on and things didn't go his way, that way we wouldn't need his character shift to "Daddy didn't love me enough" and avoided that weird whiplash entirely.

Something else that annoys me is that our WoLs pretty much aren't allowed any growth despite 7.0 "bEiNg a NeW sToRy". We've had our hero arc, now it's time for us to learn to grapple with our power and prestige a bit. Enemies could be targeting us for prestige/fame. Others develop out of fear of our strength. In this sense we can go through an almost batman-like arc where we're unintentionally creating a lot of our own problems just by existing and trying our best to mitigate the harm those problems cause to other people.

I thought so too. The warriors of light is reborn one who sit Azem seat. Who soul is been divided in to 12 fragments. Adlbert was one those fragments. It clear why is done so that Vanat plan would succeed yet how many of those fragments are still alive or need be regather. SE could do an expansion call soulbringer were WoL is gathering the fragments back to her. The thing with Wuk Lamar she presented a begin to this story one those fragments for reflection of thunder could look exactly like WoL could come and kill Wuk Lamar.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I thought so too. The warriors of light is reborn one who sit Azem seat. Who soul is been divided in to 12 fragments. Adlbert was one those fragments. It clear why is done so that Vanat plan would succeed yet how many of those fragments are still alive or need be regather. SE could do an expansion call soulbringer were WoL is gathering the fragments back to her. The thing with Wuk Lamar she presented a begin to this story one those fragments for reflection of thunder could look exactly like WoL could come and kill Wuk Lamar.

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You know what we call some creatures who have all of their soul shards together?
Ascians.
So really, I don't think Square should give us any more soul shards. We are already at 8/14, which is more than any other person in Eorzea (7/14, or one half), and our soul is by default noticeably denser than those of reflections (at 1/14). I would enjoy more expansions that lets us travel other shards, honestly.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

What sucks is 7.0 was an opportunity to appease both groups of players. Some key characters (Gulool Ja Ja, Koana, etc...) could've acknowledged the WoL's place in stopping the Final Days (probably should be called something else in Tulilloyal) but pretty much nobody else would've had knowledge of who we are. Instead, people turning into monsters and going on a rampage aren't acknowledged at all, which just felt cheap and lazy.

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At least regarding the Final Days not reaching Tural, wasn’t it implied to have only hit specific locations and we stopped it from spreading into a Global event.

Like my memory could be wrong, but wasnt essentially that Thavnir was the epicenter of the start of the final days and things branched out from there. Cuz like aether travels around the world in a web like system, so when Final Days started there it slowly “bled” outward using that web?

And Thavnir is essentially Middle East so anything nearby that was East of it (Othard) was affected. And it branched out West far enough to affect everyone (with blasphemies) except Sharlayan. Sharlayan is farther Northwest and given Tural is even further West, it makes sense they didn’t experience anything because we were able to stop the Final Days before it became a Global issue.

Though I will say, I’d think at least Koana should have been aware of the Final Days. I feel like they made it seem like he’s back and forth between Tural and Sharlayan often so he should have known something about the Final Days. And he could have been used as someone to explain how Tural wasn’t affected (or maybe it was minorly affected like only the sky changed for a real short time).

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Originally Posted by Papayatar

At least regarding the Final Days not reaching Tural, wasn’t it implied to have only hit specific locations and we stopped it from spreading into a Global event.

Like my memory could be wrong, but wasnt essentially that Thavnir was the epicenter of the start of the final days and things branched out from there. Cuz like aether travels around the world in a web like system, so when Final Days started there it slowly “bled” outward using that web?

And Thavnir is essentially Middle East so anything nearby that was East of it (Othard) was affected. And it branched out West far enough to affect everyone (with blasphemies) except Sharlayan. Sharlayan is farther Northwest and given Tural is even further West, it makes sense they didn’t experience anything because we were able to stop the Final Days before it became a Global issue.

Though I will say, I’d think at least Koana should have been aware of the Final Days. I feel like they made it seem like he’s back and forth between Tural and Sharlayan often so he should have known something about the Final Days. And he could have been used as someone to explain how Tural wasn’t affected (or maybe it was minorly affected like only the sky changed for a real short time).

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If that's the direction they wanted to go, then it really deserved some lines because it just seemed like an oversight.

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Thavnir was the epicenter of the start of the final days and things branched out from there.

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My issue with that is at some point when they were talking about Zodiark's protection, they were explaining that the flow of aether was uneven and like rivers, they would be uneven with currents.

But it really seems like a mistake to go that route in the first place. There should've been time spent dealing with the aftermath of the Final Days, and it could've been used as a good plot device for some things in the Dawntrail story. Random storm that knocked out the roads and the ruined the Hanu Hanu festival? OK I guess, but having to clean up a couple small blasphemies and help rebuild would probably make the world seem more alive. Mamook becoming extra desperate? Well Blasphemies ruining their already hard to farm lands would do that. Valigarmanda's seal weakening? I think you can see where I'm going here. I think it would've been a good opportunity for us to see how the world reacted to a calamity. Plus it would've given Wookie actual opportunities to have conflict and character growth beyond Alpacas and Tacos.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

What sucks is 7.0 was an opportunity to appease both groups of players. Some key characters (Gulool Ja Ja, Koana, etc...) could've acknowledged the WoL's place in stopping the Final Days (probably should be called something else in Tulilloyal) but pretty much nobody else would've had knowledge of who we are. Instead, people turning into monsters and going on a rampage aren't acknowledged at all, which just felt cheap and lazy.

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Goodness, I was so tuned out of the story I completely forgot about the Final Days. It wasn't even mentioned in a single line, was it? Not even a throwaway thing like a Scion saying it appears the lands of Tural were spared from the event. Which narratively makes no sense to me how something of that scale wasn't acknowledged by a single person in the entirety of DT.

Unless I missed/forgot something?

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

If that's the direction they wanted to go, then it really deserved some lines because it just seemed like an oversight.



My issue with that is at some point when they were talking about Zodiark's protection, they were explaining that the flow of aether was uneven and like rivers, they would be uneven with currents.

But it really seems like a mistake to go that route in the first place. There should've been time spent dealing with the aftermath of the Final Days, and it could've been used as a good plot device for some things in the Dawntrail story. Random storm that knocked out the roads and the ruined the Hanu Hanu festival? OK I guess, but having to clean up a couple small blasphemies and help rebuild would probably make the world seem more alive. Mamook becoming extra desperate? Well Blasphemies ruining their already hard to farm lands would do that. Valigarmanda's seal weakening? I think you can see where I'm going here. I think it would've been a good opportunity for us to see how the world reacted to a calamity. Plus it would've given Wookie actual opportunities to have conflict and character growth beyond Alpacas and Tacos.

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I’m assuming since we got the “how aethercurrents work without Zodiark’s protection” explanation in the previous expansion they just assumed we didn’t need more of it? If they wanted to do more with it then post Final Days should have had more about the aftermath and who was/wasn’t affected to drive home more of how it didn’t branch out as much as it seemed for something called the Final Days.

That would have probably delayed the Golbez and Zero plots though or if not then when Wuk Lamat first came to scout us we could have had a, hey I know you’re here for something else but did where you come from have any unusual unexplained happenings or nah? But I feel they really didn’t want to retread that plot at all so it’s just not brought up since Tural was not hit by it at all.

Honestly we don’t need Final Days or Blasphemies in Tural, but we needed more than Beast Tribe MSQ edition. The aftermath of the storm or the crop issue for Hanu Hanu doesn’t need Blasphemies on top of that or to make it interesting. But having us actually do more than rebuild a festival float would have been nice. Like maybe we help move debris or get materials for rebuilding homes and structures. Or go forage or get food and supplies resources from the Tulliyolal to help with recovery post storm and current food crisis.

Then it could be used as Wuk Lamat figuring out how to get resources to a location after a natural disaster. Figuring out the magical float thing could have been the last thing to do after all the other things were taken care of. Then it wouldn’t look so weird to show up and be like, well a disaster just happened guess and their crops are dying guess we should party the sad away.

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Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa

Devs got tired of complaints about hats on Viera and Hrothgar. From now on you ONLY ever play as a Hrothgar in a hat. One single Hrothgar. One single hat. Square Enix starts selling Wuk Lamat NFTs. All the money from ffxiv and NFTs goes towards making Forspoken sequels, except the main character is also Wuk Lamat.

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OMG! The foreshadowing for this was right in front of us the entire time.

Wuk Lamat: "I love peace"
W L ☮
W☮L

In hindsight, a few things could've easily been blamed on the Final Days. The hanu fields getting their aether stagnant, the big sudden offscreen storm that hit half the region some time before we arrived, Valigarmanda's seal getting weaker...

The fall of the Garlean empire reached Tural, there's no way they didn't hear about a literal apocalypse happening shortly after.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

What sucks is 7.0 was an opportunity to appease both groups of players. Some key characters (Gulool Ja Ja, Koana, etc...) could've acknowledged the WoL's place in stopping the Final Days (probably should be called something else in Tulilloyal) but pretty much nobody else would've had knowledge of who we are. Instead, people turning into monsters and going on a rampage aren't acknowledged at all, which just felt cheap and lazy.

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SPEAKING OF THE FINAL DAYS...

WHY IS TURAL NOT AFFECTED BY IT AT ALL???

IS IT WUK LAMAT'S OPTIMISM SERVING AS A FORCEFIELD TO SHIELD THE PEOPLE OF TURAL FROM BEING AFFECTED BY IT???

Joking aside, for continuity's sake I wish they had an area in a zone or a zone where it was affected by the Final Days specially in the Mamool Ja area...

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Originally Posted by Allegor

The fall of the Garlean empire reached Tural, there's no way they didn't hear about a literal apocalypse happening shortly after.

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Because it didn't, really. The sky went black in two places, Garlemald and Thavnair and we fixed it in like a day.

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Originally Posted by Mnemy

SPEAKING OF THE FINAL DAYS...

WHY IS TURAL NOT AFFECTED BY IT AT ALL???

IS IT WUK LAMAT'S OPTIMISM SERVING AS A FORCEFIELD TO SHIELD THE PEOPLE OF TURAL FROM BEING AFFECTED BY IT???

Joking aside, for continuity's sake I wish they had an area in a zone or a zone where it was affected by the Final Days specially in the Mamool Ja area...

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I know it’s a joke but honestly if the DT MSQ explained it was essentially that, Id just accept it. I wouldn’t be happy but it’d be par for the course with how the story went lol

Though I think the issue with the Final Days and continuation with that plot is that no one else has said anything. It didn’t need to affect Tural at all, but like I said it’s, at minimum, Koana didn’t say something even if it was like a throw away line to bolster why he wanted to push more innovation on Tural. Or not even Koana, but WoL and Co during the Tulliyollal tour could have mentioned something about it. Whether it be from a curiosity standpoint or a thank god we can chill and not worry about that coming up at all.

Tural doesn’t get a lot of outside visitors but it’s not like they get 0 either. And Sharlayan being where we leave from there’s gotta be others who know a bit the final days.

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Originally Posted by Allegor

In hindsight, a few things could've easily been blamed on the Final Days. The hanu fields getting their aether stagnant, the big sudden offscreen storm that hit half the region some time before we arrived, Valigarmanda's seal getting weaker...

The fall of the Garlean empire reached Tural, there's no way they didn't hear about a literal apocalypse happening shortly after.

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Honestly I think it’s good that those issues were not specifically domino effects from final days. Plus final days stuff seemed to specifically affect the people themselves not so much causing storms, absorbing aether, or weakening seals. The story just wasn’t presented well so things just happened cuz the writer said it had to happen, just like Bird ex Machina so Wuk could save the red Giants.

It happened because they needed to move the story from point A to point B without any further thought for stuff like being interesting or proper storytelling, or even gameplay.

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They could've, and should've, used the Final Days...if they actually delivered with the event in Endwalker. In Shadowbringers the Final Days were painted as this seemingly massive apocalyptic event, so much so that many of the ancients had to give themselves up to summon Zodiark, and even then the best it could do was just halt it instead of completely stop it. Unfortunately, Endwalker painted the final days as a minor inconvenience to us and pretty much everyone else by having it only affect Garlemald and Thavnair, with some small traces being felt in the other places with some blasphemies that you don't even have to worry about unless you do the role quests. We solved something that pretty much annihilated all of the ancients in a single day like it was no big deal. So for Dawntrail, there just wasn't really anything to use involving the Final Days given it was written as a "one and done, now moving on" plot progresser.

Granted, Dawntrail is just "FF14 WoL's greatest hits collection", so wouldn't be surprised if the attack on Tuliyollal that Wuk goes through is just her "Blasphemies attack Thavnair" moment.