Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

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Originally Posted by Ebonwings

OT was busy dps and forgot to help me soaking Double Rocket Punch xD

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It doesn't split in normal anyway. I take the same damage whether another tank is up front with me or not.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

It doesn't split in normal anyway. I take the same damage whether another tank is up front with me or not.

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I've had tanks fail to survive when the damage wasn't split, so I don't think that's correct. I've seen this on healer as well as on tank.

Did a leveling in progress yesterday and joined 24 min in on tank. I was surprised to see only the dps, waiting at the first boss. I asked what happened and they said the other players sucked. Given first boss through final boss was smooth sailing with zero issues, it was definitely not a dps issue! And that's why I like joining in progress, got them their clear, even called in a LS healer so we didn't have to wait any longer.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

It doesn't split in normal anyway. I take the same damage whether another tank is up front with me or not.

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Well trust me with Ilv 210 you split dmg with ot. In ILV 216 above you can soak it alone using proper cooldowns, eye for an eye, and stoneskin you have like about 20-25% hp left. It will be hard on healers to fill it fast because after Double Rocket Punch you have a small window to refill your hp. Plus admit it most tanks don't feel safe with their hp in that zone, unless you are enjoying the feeling of almost die and healer save you in time XD

Hullbreaker Isle, as AST, with a DRK, NIN, and BRD. For some reason, DRK is losing aggro on pulls really easily, ignoring wandering mobs that come over to chew my face off, and I'm just wondering how on earth a DRK in Titanium gear loses aggro this easily.

And then the ninja points out that he hasn't got Grit turned on. I look and neither is Darkside.

We tell him to turn it on. He ignores us. I initiate a vote-kick just before the first boss, which is rejected because we have the LB bar almost full, so we kill the first boss, in which Bard Is The New Tank, use the LB, and then immediately after it falls, someone else initiates a vote-kick for the DRK. He doesn't get to roll on the drop before he's out.

So, we go through the rest of the dungeon without a tank. I even got both their comms at the end, even though I totally think they deserve all the comms in the world for doing what they did. Thanks for turning a crappy run into a fun one, you two were great.

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

For some reason, DRK is losing aggro on pulls really easily, ignoring wandering mobs that come over to chew my face off, and I'm just wondering how on earth a DRK in Titanium gear loses aggro this easily.

And then the ninja points out that he hasn't got Grit turned on. I look and neither is Darkside.

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Reminds me of the lv60/i210+ DRK I had in Qarn HM recently, lost aggro all the time, then I noticed that Grit and Darkside are missing. I writ "Grit? ^^" - the DRK didn't react, but the AST and MCH did with "who needs Grit, fuck you" o.O
Turned out after the second boss the DRK simply forgot their stances due to level sync and didn't understand my "Grit?" because they were french and I didn't use autotranslate...

Was running Midas 4 like a week or two ago, I was a Ninja and I used the LB3 when it popped. At the end of the run the Dragoon of the party went and said "*sigh* And the Nin thinks his LB is stronger than a DRG". The whole party then said that all of the melee LBs do the same damage since it's calculated off of the party's average weapon ilvl(or is it just party's average ilvl? I don't remember). He proceeded to call me a scrub and left the duty. Fun run.

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Originally Posted by I-Say

One time I did my leveling roulette, and I got copperbell mines. I ended up getting a tank with almost no gear who didn't even have any idea what tanking even was, and a DPS that just sorta did their own thing and walked through the dungeon on their own ignoring all the enemies and the whole party in general. Eventually the healer and I decided we weren't getting anywhere and decided that we would just go on our own with me sleeping all the mobs as a BLM and just duo the rest of the dungeon.

I also ended up saving a video of it on my PS4 for a few months and decided to upload it to youtube. its just the path to the end and the final boss, but you can get the image of just how much of a trainwreck it was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01h7cAhE144

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Did you try to explain to them how to tank?

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Originally Posted by Powe

Did you try to explain to them how to tank?

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In my duty finder experience when you offer tips they either ignore you or get really defensive. There's very few people in duty finder who will actually take constructive criticism.

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

In my duty finder experience when you offer tips they either ignore you or get really defensive. There's very few people in duty finder who will actually take constructive criticism.

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Exactly this...I only offer advice if I feel like they are a decent person, for lack of better words...sometimes I am wrong, I met a tank this morning while I was healing that has never tanked before and their gear was a bit..off for the class, so I gave them advice about the gear and things they need for the tank classes, they accepted it nicely and even thanked me for it.

Tip: add a =) or :) to the end of any time you post advice, and people are less likely to rage.

This story took place around a week ago.

As usual I queue for the leveling roulette as scholar, just to find myself in Aurum Vale. I've never been fond of that dungeon, even if I can heal it without a problem.
Still, start looks promising, everyone greeting each other and tank doing small pulls in the first room.

Small pulls, until my fairy got blasted in the middle of the room by those yellow gas shooting out of the wall. She aggroed every sentinel.

Wipe.

For some miracle, the ninja is still alive so we manage to save him, all the while I was apologizing. To my surprise, the party took it really well and they started to joke around my fairy wanting to tank.

First boss goes smoothly.

On the way to the second boss, tank confess to be worried because he is having lag problems; we kill the boss fine.

The next pull, tank lags hard and it took all of my and the fairy heals to keep him alive. Still we manage it, always joking around.

Third boss! Finally! Everything proceeds well, boss is around 50% and... 90k error.
When I am finally able to log in, I apologize again to the party (seriously, I was feeling really bad).
We resume the fight without any problems and kill the boss.

Before leaving, everyone hugged each other, fairy and turret too because we didn't want them to feel left out.

I wish I always got groups like that.

Edit: as an afterthought, even if I panicked when my fairy decided to bring back some friends, thinking about it now it was kinda hilarious.
Considering we were all pressed against the wall, fairy next to me. Gas goes off and I see her flying away in a blur aggroing the sentinel that was conveniently just coming to that path.
Had it not happened, it would have probably been the classic silent run. ^^'

The great powers that be have decided that we must go back to the Crystal Tower line to get our next relic upgrade. I loaded into World of Darkness with a predictable "one or more of ya'll is new" bonus. Fast forward to the first boss and I ask if anyone needs an explanation of mechanics or tips. Of the two people that spoke up, both said no while the rest remained silent.

Welp. Que half the party (including the aforementioned two people) wiping and dying to various mechanics the remainder of the run. I've never thrown so many raises in my life.

Good troll, SE. Would wipe again.

When I did my trials roulette yesterday I ended up in Titan HM - nice, no problems, right?!
I peak at our tanks gear and well, lets say I got worried that my bard would rip aggro of them in a sec. The better geared tank charges in and I instantly wish I would actually get aggro because that level 52 paladin had NO idea about hoe to tank. Hes keeping Titan right in the middle, sometimes spinning him a little, not turning him away from the party at all. So I ask him nicely in party chat if he could pull Titan to the edge and turn him away from the party - while shaking my head that a level 52 tank hasnt learned that basic stuff by now. No response, no reaction. I ask again, explain WHY he should do that. Nothing. Since his name suggested he was from Poland I figured that he probadly doesnt speak english and gave up.

But this left me wondering: How and why are people playing this game if they dont understand a freaking thing thats going on?

Ran a Void Ark earlier on my AST. Nothing really went wrong, no wipes, but on the 2nd boss I think it was, I noticed the MNK in my party had really low HP compared to everyone else in the party, around 7k…checked their gear and they weren't wearing any boots or trousers >.> They had an item level 190 weapon, item level 130 helmet (level 53..), item level 142 top (level 57), item level 148 gloves (level 59) and void arc belt and then the trousers and boots sections had nothing equipped... However, their accessories were all item level 220 with crit and skill speed melded >.> I asked them why but got no answer xD Needless to say they died a few times cause of their HP, and us healers having to focus them more then anyone else xD I mean cmon they coulda at least bought some boots/trousers from market board or something >.<

Speaking of VA, I had this VA run as DRG like a month ago? Anyway, everything was smooth until Sawtooth and Irminsul, people kept on getting eaten until Irminsul's hp was 1% and the bar reached 100% xD Thanks to us all focusing on Irminsul we managed to down it before a wipe happen xD talk about a close call xD

Got a few good ones.

#1
Aurum Vale, first boss. I run over to one of the fruits so I can quickly grab it when I need to. One of the DPS just stands near the entrance. (I thought it might be better to position himself near one of the fruits but whatever.)
I'm in the middle of a Cure, when I think "when this is over, I'll grab a fruit." When out of nowhere, the DPS runs over to the fruit that is directly behind me, and uses it.:mad:

#2
Went into Amdapour Keep HM and after the first battle, the conversation went like this.
Tank: Bard, change your equipment.
Bard: Huh? What are you talking about?
Tank: Your equipment, you are missing some pieces.
Bard: What equipment?
Tank: The head and both rings. They are empty. Please equip something there.
Bard: I don't have anything.
Tank: What? Why not? You have no headpieces or rings at all?
Bard: No. No money. No rest for the poor!

(A few minutes later, after the first boss.)
Tank: Hey Bard, roll for the loot please.
Bard: Uh oh. Could it be...?
Tank: Please hurry up and roll.
Bard: Um...okay.

As soon as the loot is rolled for, vote kick begins. The bard is kicked, but instead of waiting for the next player, the tank continues pulling tons of trash and then heads into the 2nd boss room.
Although the Bard was at fault, the tank was being a real jerk and super impatient. The worst part was that he was a "mentor", but didn't really act like one.

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Went into the Vault after waiting forever for a tank. When we get in, the tank doesn't move or say anything. For several minutes.
The Ninja decides to begin puling trash TO the tank, who responds by not reacting whatsoever. So now I'm healing this ninja and other DPS, who cannot keep hate well enough. But someone we survive.
Finally, the tank returns. Says it's a bad connection. Runs to the next set of mobs and simply stands there as they all attack him.
The same thing happens again.
As soon as it was possible, one of the DPS initiates a vote kick. The tank is kicked, but isntead of waiting patiently for a new tank, both DPS suddenly leave the instance!
Leaving me all alone in the vault.

Speaking of the Vault last night, I went in as DRK to with two of my fc members, a NIN and a DRG who is new. We picked up SCH on DF and we started the run. It amazing how things went, I kept aggro and lose a bit because of my lag spikes which is a painful to me as a tank. When we get to last boss, because of my lag I thought everyone were waiting for me so I pulled. After 15 seconds into the fight and the healer said "cutscence", that when I realized we locked out our new player the DRG which we were suppose to help him clear xD That fight was painful with my lag spike and the first time I see what happen when we don't kill adds asap xD The NIN died afterward because of chain not breaking since she and the healer are already at the corners. We continued our struggle until the SCH could raised the dps and use LB2 to end our misery and clear the fight. Afterward I apologized to the healer and my fc members for being the worst tank. Lesson learned don't tank during lag xD

This is not so much a horror story but rather a WTF moment.

Rolled into Vault this morning on levelling roulette. I have a notification sound set for my party chat tab, so when I hear it going off furiously as I'm loading, I'm thinking... something's up. Upon loading, I see in my party chat that the healer is going batshit crazy about me. Like... literally crazy. " OMG YOU STOLE MY BF!! ESTINIEN IS MY BF!! I FINALLY MET THE PERSON WHO STOLE MY BF!!" And goes on to add even more creepy stuffs like saying he stalks me on lodestone to see if I'd name change so he could grab the name. And this goes on and on until we finish the dungeon, in which the healer goes " I hate you forever for stealing my bf!" and leaves, leaving me very dumbfounded. I think the 2 comms I got afterwards were pity comms for putting up with that crazy healer and his inane ranting.

Whoever the monk and blm were, you deserve all the comms I can give for putting up with that crazy shit.

Should I be thankful he kept us all alive, even though he kept his barrage of Estinien love up for the entire run? >__<

To Rhyku: 2 possibilities, 1 you just had a guy who was bored and decided to have some fun. 2 You have a MMO stalker, i would personally see if he's on your server and BL him just incase he tries to see you up close again .

Got levi hm in trial roulette.

First pull war trolled by activating the thing way before the ultimate attack. Wipe

Second pull everyone just decided not to activate the thing. Me the tank furthest away from the thing tried to run over and activate it but couldn't do it fast enough.

I just logged off at that point

I've had alot of bad luck with rolls lately.
I got a 98 on WoD music and got beat by a 99
Then a week later rolled a 2 on the music.
And I rolled an 89 on a Shaft in Alex today I got outrolled by a 90 and a 94.
RNGesus seems to really hate me right now. ;-;

Decided for the first time in forever to go DPS with my boyfriend (we usually tank/healer everything). We both went SMN for easy but efficient AoE. We got Pharos HM.

We get in and the tank is using a Novus. Not glamored. A literal i110 weapon. Thankfully the tank only pulled one group. My boyfriend points it out and the tank switches. Thinking that now that the tank is properly geared that maybe he'll pull bigger. Nope, still one group at a time.

First boss goes down normally and whatnot.

When we get down the stairs to the 2nd boss the healer says "brb". The tank is kinda like, "... dude" And I just roll my eyes because if the tank was really in a hurry he wouldn't be pulling one trash pack at a time. After standing around for nearly 5 minutes the healer comes back.

The second boss is where everything goes downhill. The first gel comes out and my boyfriend says he has it 'cause he wants to throw out Deathflare on it. So I focus my DPS on the boss. My boyfriend picks up the next Gel and I throw a couple DoTs on it and figure it's fine and go back to DPSing the boss, but the boss pushed to his charge phase with a hole still open and all hell broke lose.

The Gels are getting hit by everyone's AoEs and dying on their way over to the hole or exploding because the person who has aggro is getting hit by charges while trying to position the slime so they're dying too slow. The explosions from the slimes and the chaos from the boss is killing basically everyone. My boyfriend goes down first and accidentally releases when he mistook it for the raise and I go down shortly after because the healer is only healing themselves.

I get raised the first time and the healer doesn't heal me at all so I die to a slime explosion within 3 seconds of being up. The second time I'm up I manage to kill one slime over a crack, but die again due to a lack of heals. Now we have one more crack and it looks like things might be under control again.

And then the tank is like, "Are you two new?"

"No the boss got pushed awkwardly," I say.

And the healer says, "No, you two DPS just really suck."

"Yeah," Agrees the tank.

So I release to the start of the dungeon as well. If they're going to be rude then they can do the boss without us. Which is exactly what they did... when they weren't spending 15-20 seconds typing up insults in the chat, anyway. My boyfriend and I just stood outside, ready to accept that one of us was probably going to get kicked and that the other would leave and we would do something else.

But instead of one of us getting kicked, the two are still throwing fits and insulting us. So what do we do? We kick the both of them and make our way over to the final boss. We get a new tank and a new healer almost instantly. Everything goes smoothly and everyone gets a commendation.

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Originally Posted by Selli

But instead of one of us getting kicked, the two are still throwing fits and insulting us. So what do we do? We kick the both of them and make our way over to the final boss. We get a new tank and a new healer almost instantly. Everything goes smoothly and everyone gets a commendation.

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My dragoon friend and myself on BLM did 60 roulette and were really happy as it wasn't ARF for a change *.* Even better, it was Fractal, and we even got the bonus message! Yay! So, WHM, DRG and I happily ran off to the first teleport cube thingie, used it... and wondered where our tank is. He was our bonus, so maybe he didn't know that he had to use the teleport thing? Or maybe he was about to DC? WHM used return to go to the tank only to find that he was just afk. That guy didn't say anything, and I thought that maybe some kinda emergency happened irl - what else could be the reason for someone new to a duty to just stand at the start point and not say a word? So we waited. And had a nice talk with the WHM. And waited some more. After 8 minutes of waiting, we said goodbye to our bonus and kicked the tank :( I got us a replacement fast - the guy let me tank the second boss because he DC'd after the pull, but everything else went smoothly and we had a ton of fun.

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

The worst part was that he was a "mentor", but didn't really act like one.

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Ugh. I know actions taken in the Novice Network by a Mentor are logged and followed up by a GM, but I'm assuming this is not the case in an instanced dungeon. Although I really wish it was.

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Leveling roulette: Dzemael Darkhold.

For some reason, one of the dps is an Arcanist (at lvl 45...).
He also used Eye for an Eye on me (the healer) as soon as we begin.

Not wanting to draw conclusions on my own I ask him whether there is a reason he is an Arcanist. Answered with silence.
After the third or fourth Eye for an Eye on myself I ask why he is casting it on me and not on the tank. Answered with silence.

In the room before the first boss he tries to attack the All-seeing Eye, and doesn't stand near a crystal. Yellow Carby is running around the room chasing the Eye while the Arcanist his hp is dancing back and forth. Eventually he dies. Despite a fast raise he somehow respawns.

This is where the tank goes derp and pulls the boss anyway. Our Arcanist friend of course never makes it to the boss room so it is three of us in there. Interestingly enough he somehow pulled some mobs we skipped and died on the way to the boss room. Twice. (The tank also had a habit of keeping the boss juuuuuust outside of the crystal light. Leaving me and the other dps stand there twiddling with our thumbs).

In the new part of the dungeon I started paying attention to his rotation. Which seemed to be Ruin II + Bio II or Miasma at random intervals. I don't think I've seen Bio on any mobs. There are also long pauses where nothing is cast at all. Carby is now missing.

I'd like to say we somehow pulled through anyway, but the combination of Arcanist + ruin II spam + no response to anything eventually ended in a vote kick.

I have a story that happened last night. I queued up for my 50 roulette as my 60 Sch (for the esos). I had it queued for join in progress and got a pop up at 0 minutes. I figured it was someone who rudely left the dungeon once they saw what they got. So I hoped on in only to learn it was Snowcloak or what ever the ice dungeon is called. Apparently the tank was new and still learning and my predecessor didn't want anything to do with it. I figured everyone was new at one point, so I stuck with it. The tank was a PLD and the two DPS were a BRD and SMN. The tank pulled slow because he was learning and we were talking him through it. ( it was mostly the BRD but I'd put in some tips too every so often.) we explained the 1-2-3 hit combo, cool down rotation, target rotation and what the mechanics were for th bosses. The SMN marked himself so the PLD knew where to run when Fenrir did Lunar Cry.

Unfortunately we did wipe once and the PLD died 3 times, (I took the blame for those, I should have been able to keep him up!) but it was nice to see someone actually willing to listen and learn. The PLD got better as the dungeon progressed so I ended up giving him the comm. I left the dungeon with three comms, I just wish everyone got a comm instead. This is a case where I think everyone deserved it!

Me and a friend did expert roulette for the first time in a while again - we load in, its antitower and the newbie bonus shows up. I check out the gear of our fellow teammates to figure out how much I can pull - the scholar looks fine, the bard is obviously the new one. His gear is already a bit weird though - hes got the ilvl200 eso weapon, whole HQ-crafted leftside... and an ironworks-ring, ironworks-necklace, level52 ring, the rest is crafted 220 again, NQ this time. I'm not amused, but I dont say anything and pull the first group. Since I notice he doesnt has WM on I ask for it in party-chat - everyone can forget about that, right? ...no reaction. We clear the first boss (hes singing TP-song the whole time) and progress. I'm already pretty pissed and ask for WM again, no reaction... I explain WHY I'd like him to use it. No reaction... I finally ask if he bought the account or is a bot. NOW I'm getting a reaction - "stfu" He then explains he doesnt has it. In antitower. A level 60 dungeon of the latest patch. And he never did his jobquest. After the seonc boss we kick him - I'm not in the mood to carry lazy idiots (excuse me here, please) who are acting all rude through semi-endgame content.

(tbh - I even suspect him of buying gil because there is no other way he could have gotten the money for his 220 gear... no crafters/gatherers leveled at all)

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Originally Posted by Vidu

(tbh - I even suspect him of buying gil because there is no other way he could have gotten the money for his 220 gear... no crafters/gatherers leveled at all)

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Maybe someone just crafted him the stuff for free. I mean, I did craft some 220 stuff for friends that reached level 60 to help them meet the ilvl requirements for duties; they then used alex/eso gear to replace the other pieces.

Still he should have had wanderer's minuet, the game now even tells you when the job quests are available...

Last night my party leader queued us for leveling roulette without checking to see if we were ready, and we had two tanks. XD Sohm Al. We talked about backing out but just rolled with it. I'm pretty sure my WAR dps was better than a lot of actual dps I've partied with in that dungeon anyhow. And it wasn't any longer than the usual run.

We got Aetherochemical for 60 after dropping a party member and our dps begged us to kick her so we could all drop...but the tank was new. So we stuck it out. Forty minutes later, I was feeling so sorry for the tank as our geared WHM and my OP SMN were pulling hate off that poor barely geared tank on every pull. But we asked him to comm our bard and we'd all comm him, which we did, so good feels at the end at least.

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Originally Posted by Meimi_chan

Maybe someone just crafted him the stuff for free. I mean, I did craft some 220 stuff for friends that reached level 60 to help them meet the ilvl requirements for duties; they then used alex/eso gear to replace the other pieces.

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I know where you're coming from and as a crafter I do that myself for my friends - the reason I've got trouble to believe that this was the case here is that I would NEVER craft stuff for a friend and not make sure hes actually playing decently aka having at least all his skills... I mean... what sort of friend lets you derp around like this and just throws gear at you instead of giving some decent advice?

Ooo, one of my favorite stories from when I was leveling WHM where I actually failed the guildhest 'Hero in/on the Halfshell.

Queue up for my Guildhest roulette and get Hero, alright no problem. Cast protect and look at the tank who has a noob leaf. Tank runs off and pulls the turtle and we start. We kill all the adds no problem, all the while the tank is literally running around in circles with the turtle. I go to stand by the herb patch, fire sprite spawns and the DPS go to kill that, tank is still turning the turtle into a flying turtle. DPS kill the fire sprite and I call for the tank to come to me as I light the patch, no response and he keeps spinning around. Both DPS start to tell him to go over to me and we yell at him to stop killing the turtle, still no response and by this time it was too late for me just to let him die so we can take aggro. Tank ends up killing the turtle and I end up failing one of the easiest things in the whole game I didn't even know it was possible.

Oh my god the same happened to me once, except I was levelling my alt and it was an archer or bard who went in there proclaiming they "pull a lot of aggro". Long story short, the tank (a gladiator) despite their valiant efforts, lose aggro to the bard because said bard is only attacking the turtle. so we all wait over by the herb patch but the bard... isn't moving despite us all telling them to come there... so they kill it. I was staring at my screen in disbelief, the tank straight up left once they saw where that was going, and I leave after them.

I requeue.

Same archerbard again.

The marauder had an iron grip on the turtle and we clear without issue but damn.

Was in Cutter's Cry as WHM joined in Progress.

There was only a Gladiator and me in the dungeon, and the Gladiator was completely naked with no shield equipped.

I ask him "Where is your gear?" and "Why are you naked?" But I get no response...He pulls 1 bat toward the entrance and he desperately tries to tank it, but he is squishier than me... Doesn't even attempt to pop cooldowns for that 1 bat. So I kick him and leave. Probably a person that had no idea how tanking works maybe.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I'm already pretty pissed and ask for WM again, no reaction... I explain WHY I'd like him to use it.

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I'm actually curious what logic you used, since the difference between WM and non-WM is not enough to cause wipes or slow things to a crawl in a roulette. WM has a much higher likelihood of losing your rhythm and dropping more dps, whereas 2.0 BRD can be more consistent under all situations without having to learn 2 different dances. If the BRD sucked, they just sucked, regardless of WM. Demanding WM from a BRD who doesn't have practice with it will not make your DF any quicker, and getting pissed will make it seem long regardless of actual time elapsed.

At 120% boost, WM was an acknowledged DPS loss. At 130% boost, it's a gain, but the difference between 120% and 130% is only 8%. So, looking at it simplistically, you can expect less than 8% boost with extra complexity and unreliability. If the BRD is not all that good to begin with, I think you might want them to stick with non-WM.

I don't have WM on my bar because I don't find it to be fun (makes the combat system worse than it already was). After all these years, my muscles are way too twitchy on my mouse hand, and it cancels too many actions. The only content I haven't attempted and completed yet is Thordan ex, Seph ex, and savage modes (no interest). The only person to ask me about using WM was a tank who couldn't even hold aggro from me until I slowed down use of my buffs (using quelling strikes when available) in a regular dungeon. WM would have made that worse. This was right around the time of HW release. Other than that, no complaints or comments.

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

At 120% boost, WM was an acknowledged DPS loss. At 130% boost, it's a gain, but the difference between 120% and 130% is only 8%. So, looking at it simplistically, you can expect less than 8% boost with extra complexity and unreliability. If the BRD is not all that good to begin with, I think you might want them to stick with non-WM..

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You also lose two other skills just by not using WM, Emp Arrow and Iron Jaws. If the bard isn't all that good to begin with, it's certainly not going to improve by ignoring skills...

Not having WM is a significant DPS loss in almost all conditions at level 60 (there are a few times where it is good to turn it off but not many).
No EA/Barrage combo and with no iron jaws for dot refresh - its also a TP loss.

Now with the 120-130 buff there is basically no excuse for a lvl 60 bard not to use WM 90%+ of the time. If you don't see a gain with WM - you are either missing the IJ dot refresh, clipping it really badly or not managing to weave your oGCDs effectively.

Like it or not a level 60 bard who doesn't know how to use WM is in the same category of bad as an ice mage.

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Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

Stuff I cant believe...

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1) A reason you might understand why I was pissed: That guy didnt reacted at all - he never said "hi" or anything and ignored the chat all in all. His "stfu" was a real quote. May I be pissed for playing with such an ignorant jerk?

2) So you're telling me you're playing your level 60 bard like a level 50 one? I'm sorry, I have little sympathy for that. I consider bard my main dps and yes, WM was a huge change - but learning how to handle it and find a new rythm shouldnt take to long - unless ofc you refuse to learn. You're missing out on a 30% damagebuff and two new skills - SE is basically telling you "This is the way that bard is supposed to be played now!"

3) WM isnt only a damageboost it also slows you down, giving your TP time to fill up - I personally enjoy it for that reason aswell and that bard was often enough standing around doing nothing because he didnt had any TP left.

Ofc we didnt wipe. Ofc the dungeon didnt took that much longer. So maybe I'm a bit sensitive - or maybe I'm a bit to german :P But I hate this form of ineffiency and ignorance. You're one of those "Its my sub, not yours!"-people, right? Please consider that you're not playing alone but with 3-7 other people. Using an argument like "you didnt wipe" isnt really clever because this was a group-effort and we had a badass-scholar dpsing all the time. Furthermore: Are you really okay with "we didnt wipe"? You can pass several dungeons/trials with one or more players not giving their best (or anything at all) because most of the content is faceroll easy. I strongly believe that everyone still has the chance to improve themself everyday - that being said: I wouldnt have kicked that bard if he would have been more polite and explained himself (as in "I never played bard and only came back" etc. etc.) - I wouldnt have kicked you either but strongly adviced you to learn how to handle WM. I totally understand where you're coming from and EVERY bard I know didnt liked it at first but we all learned to adjust and so can you! (I dont believe WM is going anywhere so if you want to continue playing this game you're probadly best to learn it NOW...)

Frankly I dont care if we wipe or not and WM wasnt the real issue here - the issue is the same thats bugging me everytime I see someone whos playing bad becaue they refuse to learn - thats ignorance. Maybe I'm being to sensitive here but its more the attitude behind this that I dont tolerate - not that a dungeon might take two minutes longer.

TL/DR WM or not wasnt the issue here for me - someone being unwilling to learn and being ignorant about how his class should be played was. Step up your game, bards! Learn to adjust - or find a new class to enjoy!

I was in a Dzemael Darkhold run with one of the worst Astro healers ever. Weak heals, kept getting agro somehow, caused one wipe and barely prevented several others. I know the warrior tank was less than well geared( his health went up and down like a jackhammer) but jeez it should't be that hard to keep the tank up and heal others at the same time. One of the DPS died because the healer was too focused in the tank. I felt like that healer needs some serious lessons to improve. It was embarrassing to watch.

P.s. I was there on my healer.

Vidu is lying, she knows one bard who liked WM from the start :p

Anyway, I was running Haukke NM on my machinist and well, I lost my tank again, this time they had a DC and never came back, that was at the first trash packs after the first boss (they pulled the first two together and then they were gone, that was fun). AST said they don't have that much time left, so waiting forever for a new tank wasn't an option. Well, soon we noticed that you don't need a tank in Haukke - in fact you don't even need a fourth player as we cleared the rest of the dungeon with three people not more slowly than with a normal group of four. We actually got a new tank though - the final boss was at 40% then xD