Please add damage meters, Yoshi P.

Yes, such a feature would be '' misused '' by the worst people in the worst way. But the worst people are the worst people already whether parsing exists or not. The real dilemma and issue to me is if FFXIV creates their own in-game parsing logs that are as or if not more insightful than fflogs, what kind of culture does it encourage on all of the players, and what kind of effect that culture has on new players that are new to MMORPGs and online gaming in general, as well as casual players.

I do not think parsing would have such a huge effect on the already pervasive culture of optimizing even the most casual content, but any kind of feature that will allow better optimization across all content (and even encourages it) should be looked at critically before implementing it. A lot of people seem to just want to shove things into the game without looking at both sides or partaking in a more nuanced conversation about different levels of play (NOT calling out anyone in specific), and how the implementation of different features that encourage people to play more optimally will affect said players and their enjoyment.

If this was a purely competitive PvP game like a MOBA or Arena shooter, I'd say '' who cares about normies, casuals and low tier players, just balance the game according to the highest levels of play, most of the time anyway '' but this game is not that, and a parsing tool would mostly be there for people who raid extremes, savages and ultimates, so a minority of the players (in western servers at least).

But like I said, I don't think an in-game parsing tool would affect my or anyone else's casual play that much, but it's a conversation worth having whether it would or wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

My thanks for hearing me out. One thing: yes yes I know Im going back to it, but though the video itself is long, you dont need to watch it as really the screen graphics are placeholders, this is more one to listen to. I accept the time involved, but in all truth, I really do recommend it.

Your call, of course :)

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I'll consider it. Not to seem like I'm pity seeking, but the last month has been really brutal for me and I don't know that I have it in me to listen to an hour and a half of *that*. Plus I already have a hard time listening to long videos of someone just talking.

Damn post limit, I kept hitting it all day yesterday...

How about: After you clear an instance, you receive a report that says:
Your performance compared to an average of all other players in this expansion of the same level, job, and item level is DPS: 65%, Heals: 90%, ??: ??%
Of course, SE, or your game client would have to record everyone's performance to calculate the overall average, and yours for comparison. There would be no need to store everyone's individual data forever.
At least, this would let players know how they're doing, without the opportunity use it against others.

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Originally Posted by SamSmoot

How about: After you clear an instance, you receive a report that says:
Your performance compared to an average of all other players in this expansion of the same level, job, and item level is DPS: 65%, Heals: 90%, ??: ??%
Of course, SE, or your game client would have to record everyone's performance to calculate the overall average, and yours for comparison. There would be no need to store everyone's individual data forever.
At least, this would let players know how they're doing, without the opportunity use it against others.

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"Post screenshot showing at least 75% DPS or kick"

what does that even mean

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Not a sound reason but I think it would just make the devs really hate their game. They just dont share the same mentality that some people here do about it, theyre too focused on the negative side and being antagonistic with some of these debates isnt really helping your case. Like just this topic alone I can already feel the ulcers of the dev team forming from having this question show up in the community time and time again.

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Let's not kid ourselves, the devs chasing the "balance" dragon compounded with the 2min burst window meme is a bigger headache than telling GMs to deal w/ accounts that shame others due to lack of dps/heals/wrong glamour/ect if a parser was in the game. Besides, we already know about the website with all the grey and gold logs logs so this is a lost argument already, might as well shame and b& the people who use that website to track eureka pops, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Let's not kid ourselves, the devs chasing the "balance" dragon compounded with the 2min burst window meme is a bigger headache than telling GMs to deal w/ accounts that shame others due to lack of dps/heals/wrong glamour/ect if a parser was in the game. Besides, we already know about the website with all the grey and gold logs logs so this is a lost argument already, might as well shame and b& the people who use that website to track eureka pops, lol.

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Yeah but dont you think that in of itself is just another layer of potential issues is something they dont want to further deal with?

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Yeah but dont you think that in of itself is just another layer of potential issues is something they dont want to further deal with?

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Not really, the ToS already tells players not to shame due to various things. Just send a GM report that X is griefing and call it a day. I doubt your PF party is going to continue if people are throwing their logs around trying to find out why people are dying to mechanics. (because you need a dps meter to see that! lol /s)

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Not really, the ToS already tells players not to shame due to various things. Just send a GM report that X is griefing and call it a day. I doubt your PF party is going to continue if people are throwing their logs around trying to find out why people are dying to mechanics. (because you need a dps meter to see that! lol /s)

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Youre still not getting it. The system we have now is fine for both parties whom want to parse and not parse. People whom care to create those groups can freely do so as long as its not pushed to the whole playerbase. Which is why we have the dont ask, dont tell.

Devs and GMs dont want to further deal with additional problems into their plate of issues. If it makes it easier for them to enforce ToS then thats what theyre going to ultimately do. Its a lot easier for them to enforce "this party kicked me out due to them parsing" than "this party kicked me out due to having low numbers". At least thats how I see it.

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Youre still not getting it. The system we have now is fine for both parties whom want to parse and not parse. People whom care to create those groups can freely do so as long as its not pushed to the whole playerbase. Which is why we have the dont ask, dont tell.

Devs and GMs dont want to further deal with additional problems into their plate of issues. If it makes it easier for them to enforce ToS then thats what theyre going to ultimately do. Its a lot easier for them to enforce "this party kicked me out due to them parsing" than "this party kicked me out due to having low numbers". At least thats how I see it.

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Both arguments are the same though. At that point you might as well cut out the middle man of a website and just have some sort of yardstick to see your performance in game. If it's a non issue then why are so many against it? If certain people are going to "harass" you for dps numbers then they will do it with or without an in game tool, at this point you are punishing people who want a tool to see their dps in game because the "bad guys" will use it for nefarious purposes. Sounds like another discussion that has been done to death. I gave up on that one as well, who am I to push back against the will of the masses? lol