White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's really baffling seeing some people obsess over timed exclusives as if they're the only meaningful things in their lives.

The players who seem to only find enjoyment by denying others something neat are not the sort of players I want this game to cater to moving forward.

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It's not really about denying others items though, it's about the idea of giving away trophies to everyone, thusly invalidating said trophy of it's merit.
Almost everyone seems to agree just having Replica White Ravens is the best solution here. People can have their new glamour and others retain their trophy.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's really baffling seeing some people obsess over timed exclusives as if they're the only meaningful things in their lives.

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I feel the same way about anything I've earned in the game itself. I earn or buy things because I want to be able to enjoy them. If other people happen to be given easier access to the things I acquired then I consider that to be perfectly fine. In fact, I encourage it since it means that both friends and strangers alike are able to enjoy them as well.

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Having been in their shoes many years ago, I understand the sentiment of having a unique special item. Over time after leaving each those old game worlds behind I realised it really didn't matter. I can't take anything with me. So I just took pride in the sense of achievement of overcoming that challenge.

It's like climbing a mountain on foot while someone else takes a helicopter. We both get that same photo op - but I know how I earned mine. And that makes my photo all the more special and the achievement will stay with me for the rest of my life.

No one else will ever that have that opportunity to overcome that White Raven challenge again. The day FFXIV ends its run many years from now and the item and even character is gone, the memory of that achievement will be what remains...

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Oorrrrrrr you'll be like me and totally forget about all the blood, sweat and tears in the previous game and totally jump in to the next game. ԅ(¯﹃¯ԅ)

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I've mentioned this several times and you keep ignoring it, every old content and every old event has had rewards made more accessible, we even have a lot of 1.x items currently available in the game. So tell me, why should these earrings be any different if they aren't even part of the legacy campaign?

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Sorry I didn't mean to dismiss or ignore anything.
Ultimate fights haven't been made any easier. Their ilvl locked, and as far as we know won't be unsyncable. These fights will retain their challenge and the rewards their merit. (at least unless SE decides to let us unsync these afterall)
Other 1.x items weren't part of a savage-like tier fight. They weren't even offered as a reward when signing up to do this. It was awarded to players covertly afterwords as thanks for doing the best of the best. By all accounts, it's a trophy status item. Ifrits Battleaxe is not a trophy item, for example. Sure it was in 1.0, but the fight was not intended to be near impossible like some others are.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

Honestly by supporting a bad game for that long you only validated the ffxiv 1.0 mess for much longer then it should have lasted.

It was Yoshi P who saved 14 and if he feels it worthy to include a 1.0 item in this event then you really have no reason to complain and you also have been paying less for your sub the past 5 years which is more thanks then 1.0 players are deserved IMO.

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https://youtu.be/ONT6fxiu9cw?t=18m13s

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

Honestly by supporting a bad game for that long you only validated the ffxiv 1.0 mess for much longer then it should have lasted.

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I'm adding the quote from the documentary for better readability:


Michael "Koji Fox" Christopher:

And to see that everyone felt the same way, it wasn't just the development team. It's that you have these hardcore group of very, very loyal fans that, they believed in the game.
We believed in the game. We stuck together.
We were able to build this new thing that's not just for us but it's opening up the doors for a whole new audience.

But remember we were there first. We're the ones that stood by it, we're the ones that did this.
They have the pride in that. Those players. Those "Warriors of Light" that were the before-meteor guys.
Yoshida-san in interviews will always talk about those people that support us and "we couldn't have done it".

I mean it sounds so cliché - "Oh we couldn't have done it without your support" - Literally, we could not have done it.

I mean, if those people hadn't remained, we would just have said let's forget it.
We're not going to do it. We wouldn't have put as much effort in it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's also worth noting that no matter how flawed 1.0 may have been it did lay the groundwork for a lot of the neat stuff we see today. So there is indeed a good chance that the developers themselves may want to give current players a little taste of 1.0 in the form of the earrings. To my knowledge, we don't even know what the developers have planned for the seasonal event. They could have something special in store for us.

I may be wrong, but I believe some of the 1.0 developers still work on FFXIV to this day.

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They did give everyone a taste, far more than that in fact, maybe it slipped by you playing 2.0 because it was everywhere. It's not everyone else's fault if you didn't recognize it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's really baffling seeing some people obsess over timed exclusives as if they're the only meaningful things in their lives.

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You're not?

They actually have a point because these were actually stated as exclusive to 1.0 players that got them. The amount of dishonesty in here isn't doing anyone favours.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I bought both the Shiva and Odin statues purely for the emotes that came with them. I didn't do it for the sake of bragging rights, I did it because I thought they were neat and I happen to have a disposable income.

They set me back roughly £200. I've spent much more than that on cosmetics. The Mog Station could be updated tomorrow to sell the emotes for £5 and it wouldn't bother me. They could be added to the game as part of a quest reward and that wouldn't bother me either.

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Yes, you bought a physical object that came with a bonus. Now why would you get upset over something you were never told was limited and exclusive to that time, was later released? That example doesn't work either.

If they did say it was exclusive to the statues from that production run. To then go and release it again later, they would open themselves to a lawsuit. If Digital Extremes ever made Excalibur Prime available again they would get hit with a lawsuit and lose guaranteed. That was also 5 years ago.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I feel the same way about anything I've earned in the game itself. I earn or buy things because I want to be able to enjoy them. If other people happen to be given easier access to the things I acquired then I consider that to be perfectly fine. In fact, I encourage it since it means that both friends and strangers alike are able to enjoy them as well.

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Which is almost everything else in the game. But that isn't good enough and fixating on this instead, what is barely a handful of items now.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The players who seem to only find enjoyment by denying others something neat are not the sort of players I want this game to cater to moving forward.

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That's only because you are personally making it out to be that way, over someones memento. Stop trying to undermine everyone that does value them and stuck around when you only want them for a collection of a fictional faction.

You're acting like games get shut down and relaunched all the time. They don't, they die and stay dead to languish as some holding companies failed asset. I guess you would rather have nothing if they almost sink themselves later because now they're untrustworthy too.

Nobody is taking anything away. Nobody is preventing 1.0 players from taking pride in their accomplishments or support for 1.0.

Yet at some point, a line needs to be drawn. 1.0 was five years ago and FFXIV has had not one but two expansions since it launched for a second time. There's going to be another expansion next year.

As someone who actually looks back at 1.0 with a sense of awe and wonder it's actually pretty disheartening to see how some of the 1.0 players are acting within this thread. I offer my immense thanks to those 1.0 players who have been reasonable and are happy to grant those of us who started in ARR and beyond their approval in this endeavor.

I, for one, have been wanting certain items from 1.0 to be added to the game once more. I don't think everything should be unlocked and suddenly made available, though two pairs of earrings is a very minor thing in the grand scheme of things.

So I offer the players who are in favour of the earrings being added my immense gratitude. I'm actually going to make it a point to order a bottle of champagne to coincide with the seasonal event going live. Once I have a pair of the earrings for myself I shall make a toast in honour of those who have used their voice as a means of support.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Sorry I didn't mean to dismiss or ignore anything.
Ultimate fights haven't been made any easier. Their ilvl locked, and as far as we know won't be unsyncable. These fights will retain their challenge and the rewards their merit. (at least unless SE decides to let us unsync these afterall)
Other 1.x items weren't part of a savage-like tier fight. They weren't even offered as a reward when signing up to do this. It was awarded to players covertly afterwords as thanks for doing the best of the best. By all accounts, it's a trophy status item. Ifrits Battleaxe is not a trophy item, for example. Sure it was in 1.0, but the fight was not intended to be near impossible like some others are.

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Thing is that Ultimate is a completely new concept, we don't know how SE is gonna deal with it in the future, but we do know how they have dealt with every other challenging fight in the 4 years prior to Stormblood, and it goes in line with how they are dealing with Rivenroad. If Rivenroad is a savage-like fight then what they are doing is no different than what they have done with other savage-like fights, if anything I think the event is gonna take longer to complete than what it takes to do T9 unsynced. If Rivenroad was still accessible you'd probably be able to unsync it faster than any of the current coils just due to its age / item level tuning.

Speaking of the difficulty, only Amiral Benson tried to make a direct comparison to ultimate but kept citing server issues and pings as to why the fight was difficult, but that's not mechanic difficulty like our current ultimate. From what I've seen of the fight in videos it's closer to an XIV extreme primal than a savage fight and the main difficulty came from how terrible the game was at the time. If they were to add that same fight right now with the exact same mechanics but item level tuned to what we have now the fight wouldn't be hard at all.

Day 4.... Still alive. Hot dang

Ultimately, I can understand wanting to keep one's trophies unique for the effort put in prior. However, at the end of the day we have to come to terms that anything can be trivialized at a moment's notice. The game has a long history of making hard to obtain glamours absurdly easy to get in later patches like New World and Thav sets as well as minions that used to be so rare they sold for 12m a piece and now go for 90k.

I'm not saying don't argue about it. That's your right to do so. But expect that as time goes on more accomplishments will become irrelevant, and hopefully new ones will take their place. Eventually all of it will be moot when the servers finally shut down.