Bard - they broke my job

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Originally Posted by MercureXI

Yeah misread his comment as "casting times" as in "downtime to put up WM", which is no more as of today's patch. 5:43am, cut me some slack, but quick to react on this anyway.

I don't worry about being "taken seriously", the whole community kinda thinks the same as I do :

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I am cutting you some slack but not dismissing it as you not lvling the Job, it's something the wiki's could have told you though if you had bothered. And not everyone hates WM, a lot of us hate being considered second rate DPS because "muh support" or "muh mobility" when other threads clearly show that's a crock or it's being taken away somewhat with WM. I will admit, some do just want to delete WM from the game, and I kinda argued with one pages back. But, I think today's patch clearly shows that's not the direction SE has for the Job.

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Originally Posted by Minorinz

lol there is so much hate and negative energy going in here you can almost summon an angry bard primal with it. This wasn't even as bad as smn threads...

/just passing by don't kill me pls

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You live, for now. Nah, I'm not really mad so much as frustrated, FFXI had a lot of these Hybrids poorly balanced and SE had the golden opportunity to learn from it, especially with more clearly defined roles. And they haven't. Makes me shudder to think how they plan on doing a RDM, BLU, or other Hybrid jobs. At this point I'd rather they don't.

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Originally Posted by MercureXI

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Evidence that YOU cannot read, and that you STILL have no idea what you are posting about.
Go troll somewhere else.

Bard needs to be one of either:

1. Heavy DPS + utility: get rid of the casting times while WM is up, reinstate auto attacks, and nerf WM down to 10-15%. Keep the high potency 3.0 actions gated behind WM, and make WM mutually exclusive to all other songs. So, if a bard wants to use a buff song, they take a hit in DPS and can't use most of their good damage actions. Adjust potency to make DPS competitive when WM is up. It's a good trade and maintains the 2.0 playstyle which is what most people are complaining about.

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2. Heavy Utility + token dps: nerf potency to be on par with healers' DPS, and give bard songs to buff all the secondary skills (SkS SpS, Acc, Crit, Det, Attack Power, and Defense), along with TP regen, MP regen and requiem. Cap groups to 2 songs TOTAL. This basically forces every group to have 2 bards - no more, no less - in order to be maximized. Yeah, I know. Snowball's chance in hell of SE ever going for this.

Bug or working as intended - turn on WM, initiates the 15 second recast timer - cannot remove WM until the recast timer is done.
Any other buff you can right click the buff icon and remove it, not WM. The only way to remove WM is to wait 15 seconds for the recast to clear.
Turning on WM = 15 second commitment to it. I understand not being able to spam it on and off and on again, but a 15 second commitment to it seems like a problem.

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I am cutting you some slack but not dismissing it as you not lvling the Job, it's something the wiki's could have told you though if you had bothered. And not everyone hates WM, a lot of us hate being considered second rate DPS because "muh support" or "muh mobility" when other threads clearly show that's a crock or it's being taken away somewhat with WM. I will admit, some do just want to delete WM from the game, and I kinda argued with one pages back. But, I think today's patch clearly shows that's not the direction SE has for the Job.

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Dismissing it ? I spent most of the afternoon clearing Alex floors with a friend that plays BRD. How could I not know about casting times ? That's the only thing he speaks about all day since 3.0 . . .

But hey, sure, I'll go check a wiki for more info about the job. Seems very useful, since I can't possibly know why you hate so much the fact that you gained more dps on a class that you consider "subpar dps" and yearn for ... more dps ... to be considered a ... true dps !

Oh well ... why do I bother ? If it's not that, you guys will whine about something else.

Not to mention that the overall uptime of BRD dps and now that new dps stance, can easily be top DPS on fights that rely on aoe dodging / being kept far away for a period of time.

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Originally Posted by MercureXI

Dismissing it ? I spent most of the afternoon clearing Alex floors with a friend that plays BRD. How could I not know about casting times ? That's the only thing he speaks about all day since 3.0 . . .

But hey, sure, I'll go check a wiki for more info about the job. Seems very useful, since I can't possibly know why you hate so much the fact that you gained more dps on a class that you consider "subpar dps" and yearn for ... more dps ... to be considered a ... true dps !

Oh well ... why do I bother ? If it's not that, you guys will whine about something else.

Not to mention that the overall uptime of BRD dps and now that new dps stance, can easily be top DPS on fights that rely on aoe dodging / being kept far away for a period of time.

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So you play w/ a Bard, have seen the casting times after the patch, and still had the nerve to say the casting times were gone? That's just silly. Glad to see you deleted those posts too.

If you don't like looking up info about a job, you should probably play it or talk to someone who has, because you clearly said casting times were gone. And you don't appear to be listening to your friend either.

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Originally Posted by MercureXI

Alexander patch notes would like to have a word with you.

Casting times are no more mate.

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If damage is done in the same method (ranged with casting times) they should probably be balanced close together, much like all the melee are close together. Also, we are supposed to be true DPS, I queue DPS just like the rest of them. And that's really where my argument comes from. If I'm in the DPS role I should be balanced as such. If I'm not supposed to be, move me to the role I belong in.

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Originally Posted by Kataz

Bug or working as intended - turn on WM, initiates the 15 second recast timer - cannot remove WM until the recast timer is done.
Any other buff you can right click the buff icon and remove it, not WM. The only way to remove WM is to wait 15 seconds for the recast to clear.
Turning on WM = 15 second commitment to it. I understand not being able to spam it on and off and on again, but a 15 second commitment to it seems like a problem.

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This is hopefully a bug. I didn't try turning off WM during the expert I ran (wanted to see about where I was with the buffs) and logged off afterwards.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

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Bards had that kind of buffs in FFXI, and they were mandatory for most events for double songs with their 2hrs skill. No way SE is gonna make that mistake ever again.

2.0 BRD was "100% uptime, great DPS, easy to play, away from close range AoE" style with added unique utility.

Isn't it a bit too much ?

3.0 BRD seems more balanced, since you need to plan your "WM dps phases" accordingly to mechanics (like MNKs do with GL3 for example), to ensure maximum DPS output. You still can use 2.0 style the rest of the time, when the fight needs you to move and evade shit. Still having 100% uptime, while moving, from afar (where melees can't do anything, and BLMs will have to stop casting from time to time).

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Originally Posted by Kataz

Bug or working as intended - turn on WM, initiates the 15 second recast timer - cannot remove WM until the recast timer is done.
Any other buff you can right click the buff icon and remove it, not WM. The only way to remove WM is to wait 15 seconds for the recast to clear.
Turning on WM = 15 second commitment to it. I understand not being able to spam it on and off and on again, but a 15 second commitment to it seems like a problem.

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Working as intended, I'd imagine. It's the same as cleric stance

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Originally Posted by Arrik

So you play w/ a Bard, have seen the casting times after the patch, and still had the nerve to say the casting times were gone? That's just silly. Glad to see you deleted those posts too.

If you don't like looking up info about a job, you should probably play it or talk to someone who has, because you clearly said casting times were gone. And you don't appear to be listening to your friend either.

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Learn to read. Told you I thought he was talking about "casting times" for entering WM. Which was a DPS loss.

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Originally Posted by MercureXI

Bards had that kind of buffs in FFXI, and they were mandatory for most events for double songs with their 2hrs skill. No way SE is gonna make that mistake ever again.

2.0 BRD was "100% uptime, great DPS, easy to play, away from close range AoE" style with added unique utility.

Isn't it a bit too much ?

3.0 BRD seems more balanced, since you need to plan your "WM dps phases" accordingly to mechanics (like MNKs do with GL3 for example), to ensure maximum DPS output. You still can use 2.0 style the rest of the time, when the fight needs you to move and evade shit. Still having 100% uptime, while moving, from afar (where melees can't do anything, and BLMs will have to stop casting from time to time).

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2.0 BRD was great dps, 2.1-2.2 (first brd nerf) was ok dps. 3.0 was a lot worse and 3.01 is a bit better. More and more monsters are actually targetting ranged or the whole party, negating a lot of the far away from AoE we once had. And as buffs today have shown, 2.0 BRD is going to be more and more of a dps loss, and less and less of an option for those who do not like it.

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Originally Posted by MercureXI

Learn to read. Told you I thought he was talking about "casting times" for entering WM. Which was a DPS loss.

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That's funny, learning to read would have helped that too. S/he clearly talks about the oGCD and timing them inbetween shots.

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Originally Posted by ChloeGrace

Evidence that YOU cannot read, and that you STILL have no idea what you are posting about.
Go troll somewhere else.

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