Your thoughts on Astrolgian so far?

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Again, the usual fallacy when talking about SCH.

Most of SCH good tools are mutually exclusive. If you consider Aetherflow + Energy Drain, you have to imagine a SCH without Indomitability, Lustrate and Sacred Soil.

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I meant that you can use energy drain to get some MP back. For example when you are dpsing and you have Aetherflow ready and you didn't use the 3 stacks.
You have 1 ability that will always give you back MP, and another one that you can choose to use to have some MP more and also to deal damage.
AST haven't much choices: as AST you only have LA to refresh your MP.

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Originally Posted by lordparanoia

I meant that you can use energy drain to get some MP back. For example when you are dpsing and you have Aetherflow ready and you didn't use the 3 stacks.
You have 1 ability that will always give you back MP, and another one that you can choose to use to have some MP more and also to deal damage.
AST haven't much choices: as AST you only have LA to refresh your MP.

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I get where remilia is coming from, LA is to refresh MP and reduce emnity that's it none of your jobs abilities rely on the resource it uses, as a SCH 5 skills/spells rely on that one resource. Im not saying its never possible for a SCH to ED if needed but the bulk of MP regain comes from aetherflow and that really is how SCH should be regarded.

whats so hard to understand, every time you dont neex mac healing or emergency healing, you can use stacks to regain mana.
1 phase or even half a phase of that and SCH has the mana reset without any bard song.

Btw it's not like the SCH needs to use ED for MP, it's mainly for DPS purposes and it CAN miss, espacially now with no accuracy on your gear. But with Aetherflow restoring 20% of max MP every 60 seconds and so many free healing skills on your SCH you hardly have MP issues. LA is once every 120 seconds and AST has few free healing spells (dignity and that's it) + Synastry which doesn't help much saving MP, though it depends on mechanics really. For something like earthshaker it could be great, but you still will be using a lot of MP. SCH never had MP issues in the first place and there's no reason why he will start having problems now with the additional party wide free heals. WHM had to maximize SoS' utility, fine, but he had cure 2 and 3 procs that helped a lot and now assize.AST has something really similar to shroud and must use cards on himself not to run out of MP, reducing his ability as a buffer, or alternatively force his WHM/SCH partner to heal more and act like a support job.

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Originally Posted by Krixus

But not fixing the spear bug? Whyyy

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What spear bug? You mean that it doesn't affect cooldowns that are already used? That's not a bug, that's how it works... It's only reducing the cooldowns of skills you haven't used yet. If the skill already goes on cooldown then it's going to take that full cooldown before spear was used.

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Originally Posted by VitalSuit

What spear bug? You mean that it doesn't affect cooldowns that are already used? That's not a bug, that's how it works... It's only reducing the cooldowns of skills you haven't used yet. If the skill already goes on cooldown then it's going to take that full cooldown before spear was used.

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It is in "accepted bugs" so maybe it is a bug.

Anyway, MP refresh is just one small problem in the Astrologians gameplay.
the real problem is that AST is not (at the moment) comparable with SCH and WHM in healing potency:
-collective unconscious is a nerfed version of sacred soil/asylum
-lightspeed is a nerfed version of presence of mind (of course you're faster then a whm with pom but ... -25% is just too much)
-aspected benefic is a nerfed version of adloquium (in nocturnal sect)
-aspected helios is a nerfed version of medica2 (but similar to succor)

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Originally Posted by lordparanoia

the real problem is that AST is not (at the moment) comparable with SCH and WHM in healing potency

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Of course not. Do you expect to be able to heal as a WHM and shield like a SCH, while having cards on top of that?

What else? How about dpsing like a MNK?

The only thing that I admit might need some revamping indeed is the card system. Making anything else on par with WHM and SCH would not only make those jobs obsolete, but it would kill AST identity as well.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Of course not. Do you expect to be able to heal as a WHM and shield like a SCH, while having cards on top of that?

What else? How about dpsing like a MNK?

The only thing that I admit might need some revamping indeed is the card system. Making anything else on par with WHM and SCH would not only make those jobs obsolete, but it would kill AST identity as well.

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If they make cards useful you're right. But please play the job and you'll see the flaws. I understand that AST cannot be as good as a SCH or WHM at their respective jobs, but the way it is now, ast is just too much weaker as a healer. Mana problems, low potency, no useful healing CD, nerfed versions of WHM/SCH skills and a card system that is totally rng and I suspect less effective than using selene's fey wind as far as dps is concerned (need data about this). This is why he used the word "comparable". AST should be comparable, just slightly weaker. However right now SCH and WHM are simply in a different league as healers. The gap it too big.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

Of course not. Do you expect to be able to heal as a WHM and shield like a SCH, while having cards on top of that?

What else? How about dpsing like a MNK?

The only thing that I admit might need some revamping indeed is the card system. Making anything else on par with WHM and SCH would not only make those jobs obsolete, but it would kill AST identity as well.

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Hyperboles aside, the cards are just a gimmick at this point and doesn't validate AST's lower healing numbers compared to WHM and SCH. WHM and SCH already make this job obsolete.