I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

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Originally Posted by Zeastria

Anyway
i just notice a trend with ffxiv healers in PF..
That's all.

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But is it a trend, though? The point of what’s being discussed is that people are quick to rid themselves of all responsibility of a KO by placing the entirety of that responsibility on the healer, if it seems like they weren’t healed in time even when there was healing efforts being made for them. So how much of this trend is actual healers not healing and how much of it is a false perception that a KO was someone else’s fault?

Also, can I just say what a double standard it is that we can call out a healer for not healing hard enough, but if you call out a DPS for not doing their rotation correctly, that’s toxic?

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

But is it a trend, though? The point of what’s being discussed is that people are quick to rid themselves of all responsibility of a KO by placing the entirety of that responsibility on the healer, if it seems like they weren’t healed in time even when there was healing efforts being made for them. So how much of this trend is actual healers not healing and how much of it is a false perception that a KO was someone else’s fault?

Also, can I just say what a double standard it is that we can call out a healer for not healing hard enough, but if you call out a DPS for not doing their rotation correctly, that’s toxic?

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I mean, calling out a tank for not mitigating is also a big no-no. But it's totally fine to call out a healer for not healing when everyone is already full HP but some people die to minor overkill because the tank/DPS didn't press their 10% button.

The healer blame trend is not even unique to FF14 either. I was even nagged by a DPS person who was buddies with a Warrior tank in Warcraft during the Legion expansion.

I was playing a Shaman at the time. Nobody died in the 5 man dungeon either since I was using Healing Stream Totem, Riptide HoTs on the tank with Healing Rain for efficient AoE heals. They likely judged my ability to heal based on how much light "Jesus beams" I threw out (Chain Heal) and saw the Lava Burst animations instead. Apparently that was proof of me being "caught" pwning the enemies. Wrath also had Chain Heal spam for Shamans, but some players still didn't get the memo that Healing Stream Totem got buffed. If you looked at the Warrior tank's data though with those supposed parsers that are allowed in WoW, they dumped so much rage into DPSing with Revenge hits instead of mitigating with Shield Block and Ignore Pain >.> They also would have seen the Healing Stream Totem a mile away if they knew how to use the parsers to view heals too ... Even then, nobody died and still they complain ...

Why is there such an obsession with micromanaging how healers play, even by people who don’t play healer?

Healer player: Can I have more DPS actions?
Someone, Inevitably: If you want to DPS then you should play a DPS job. Healers are supposed to HEAL!

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Why is there such an obsession with micromanaging how healers play, even by people who don’t play healer?

Healer player: Can I have more DPS actions?
Someone, Inevitably: If you want to DPS then you should play a DPS job. Healers are supposed to HEAL!

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Which is funny cause if a healer casts a heal in most dungeons they'll get cursed out. Like how hard is it for people to understand, most of our kit is both not needed and offensive to use, so either give us skills for what you've set us up to be doing or change the same so we can use the stuff you've given us without getting kicked from party.

Imagine a world where 90% of mobs were immune to physical damage and dragoons were like, "well, can I have some more magic attacks or could you make more mobs take physical damage" and the response from players being THEN JUST PLAY BLACK MAGE!

That's actually more reasonable cause it wouldn't stop queues from popping. Telling everyone to give up on healer...well...gl with that.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Why is there such an obsession with micromanaging how healers play, even by people who don’t play healer?

Healer player: Can I have more DPS actions?
Someone, Inevitably: If you want to DPS then you should play a DPS job. Healers are supposed to HEAL!

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Sadly the only way for Healers to have more DPS actions is to play Warrior.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

Back on the other topic, if doing DPS as healers was more fun, I think there would be much less need for healers wanting more to heal. In fact, I wonder if replacing some OGCD heals and buttons with DPS ones would make healing more difficult and enjoyable by forcing GCD heals more often and having to properly balance between heals and DPS.

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You got to the core of the issue with healers, the risk vs reward of healing isn't there, what to me makes healer fun (beyond random DPS rotation varity) is the trying to fit in as much damage as possible while keeping the party alive, when you can do both at the same time it makes the entire role feel boring.

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Originally Posted by Lady_Silvermoon

Which is funny cause if a healer casts a heal in most dungeons they'll get cursed out. Like how hard is it for people to understand, most of our kit is both not needed and offensive to use, so either give us skills for what you've set us up to be doing or change the same so we can use the stuff you've given us without getting kicked from party.

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I feel like it's the same arguement for why Paladin shouldn't be spamming clemency tbh, but those said healers would get mad at a new PLD for using it while using healing that isn't needed. In reality as a PLD i feel insulted that I get gcd healed when I have more then enough self sustain, for pretty similar reasons why a healer would get frustrated at a PLD for spamming that ability

Although most people (me included) usually just get on with the duty, if someone wants to waste time healing only or something more power to them I guess? It's likely more faster getting through the duty them making a fuss over someone not playing optimally lol.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Or the DF healers aren't actually paying attention to the screen for various reasons (Boredom, used to warriors that heal themselves and the group, used to PLDs that heal themselves, used to over eager DNCs that heal the group etcetcetc)

But yes, I'm sure it's an ongoing problem of healers simply refusing to heal. I can only assume this is verified from the source right? :rolleyes:

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This. I swear the last tank's death I directly caused was because I almost fell asleep :/

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

Why is there such an obsession with micromanaging how healers play, even by people who don’t play healer?

Healer player: Can I have more DPS actions?
Someone, Inevitably: If you want to DPS then you should play a DPS job. Healers are supposed to HEAL!

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because the same people who are obsessed with their idyllic perfect idea of the holy trinity meaning that healers spam Cure Cure Cure for their gameplay loop and having to work 24/7 to keep everyone alive with healing spells also simultaneously hate the idea of other players being able to affect their gameplay in a massively multiplayer online rpg like this and rage whenever they die
it's easier if you don't think about it too much, lol

64 pages is a lot. Seems like there is a consensus that healer rotations need some adjusting. Hopefully in the upcoming media tour we hear about this-- I mean there's multiple healers so surely they can experiment with at least one of them and see if the game collapses due to one healer having a tiny more interesting dps rotation.

Bc doesn't Yoshi P want consensus...