White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You accuse me of careless reading only to make assumptions I, in no way, insinuated. Bit hypocritical, hmm?

I couldn't care less what someone else thinks about Ultimate. I have my experiences with the content. I simply said, I'd be a bit annoyed if the fights could be unsynced.

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Case in point, really.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

That comes next year when they are added for $5.00 or whatever like all event items.

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And we'll see this topic be back all over again.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I never said it was juvenile to care about one's accomplishments. I said it was juvenile to need the world to care about them to value them yourself.

It seems I'm in the process of getting ganged up on by rather careless readers though, so I'll take my leave. Communication is bound to be a fruitless endeavor when dealing with people who would rather win an argument than understand what was said.

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This game's forums/community in a nutshell.

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Originally Posted by Miste

why does it matter if the item is named replica or not?

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:thinking:

What happens if SE takes this to heart and does this for legacy items, re-released as replicas, then vocal legacy players speak their displeasure with this as well? Are we not back to square one? Then it's even less about the "value" of the item or the memories that may have been incurred, but a status symbol that shouldn't be obtained "again" (since it was really just the same item, renamed). You cannot guarantee that no one will be upset over this solution, either. Despite, you know, this being a thing and why so much 'value' is being placed on something you cannot even own:

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Originally Posted by Bahati

Allow me to post the direct wording of the ToS:

YOU ACQUIRE NO OWNERSHIP OR PROPERTY RIGHTS IN ANY CHARACTER OR OTHER IN-GAME VIRTUAL GOOD, AND ARE ONLY LICENSED TO USE SUCH CHARACTERS AND ASSETS ASSOCIATED WITH YOUR FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE AGREEMENTS. YOU AGREE THAT YOUR FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNT AND ANY VIRTUAL GOODS AND CHARACTERS DO NOT HAVE ANY MONETARY VALUE. SQUARE ENIX MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE FFXIV SERVICE ACCOUNTS, CHARACTERS, VIRTUAL GOODS, OR THE SERVICE ALTOGETHER, AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON OR FOR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE OR LIABILITY TO YOU.

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(Thanks again for posting the actual snip-it from the Terms of Service.)

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

It seems I'm in the process of getting ganged up on by rather careless readers though, so I'll take my leave. Communication is bound to be a fruitless endeavor when dealing with people who would rather win an argument than understand what was said.

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I mean, that is pretty rich coming from you.

Our exchange was generally pretty normal and I was simply asking you questions in order to understand your point of view....quite civil really......until you got snide and passive aggressive with me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I'm surprised that actually needed explaining. If you need further explanations of such trivial reasoning, I will not bother responding again.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

You are right. I apologize. I assumed you understood what hypocrisy was and worked off that assumption, but that was an erroneous assumption. My argument is of course not hypocritical simply because other people who are not me behave in some particular fashion, as neither I nor my argument are accountable for things outside the scope of that argument.

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When you make a blanket statement about something it can be hypocritical, I'm sorry that you didn't realize this. It has nothing to do with how others are behaving and I questioned you in my first reply which you could have answered, but you didn't. That is not my problem~ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

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You took that quote out of context. It was simply an explanation on why the argument of "grow up" is hypocritical. It doesn't reflect my personal opinions on this matter.

Unless you were just using it as a point to jump your thoughts off of, then I understand what you mean.

Well, unofficial sources have it that they changed the number of required tokens to 50 about a week ago. (was prev 10).

So there? Some quest/fate grind to do for an hr or so should suffice for us non-legacy players to get it, right? /s

I don't think Miste was picking on you, Nixxe.

I also understand the point of having something named as a replica.

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Originally Posted by Miste

You took that quote out of context. It was simply an explanation on why the argument of "grow up" is hypocritical. It doesn't reflect my personal opinions on this matter.

Unless you were just using it as a point to jump your thoughts off of, then I understand what you mean.

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It doesn't matter if I took it out its original context because I gave it a new context anyway. Especially since it was not the first time I had read "add replica to the name and it's fine." You just happened to be the last person I read at the time to mention this solution again, so I quoted you. Nor do I care about the grow up statement that was previously made. It was a legitimate question of where is the cut-off and is there a cut-off to begin with? I'm asking would simply adding "replica" to all legacy items actually stop the griping or would a new gripe begin once more legacy items were made available through these means.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

How convienient.


For others, those items are all they have left of the community they originally had, before the changes to the game eventually bled them away.

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I absolutely agree as a 1.0 player who stuck with game since 1.0 beta.. everything thing that meant something has slowly be trashed, watered down, sold for a quick buck. The 1.0 player base is frankly what kept this whole thing alive even after the servers went down twice(once for natural disaster and once for the ending of 1.0) I think this move along with others is wrong by hey that’s my 2cents and Gath’s Is worth more than mine.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

It doesn't matter if I took it out its original context because I gave it a new context anyway. Especially since it was not the first time I had read "add replica to the name and it's fine." You just happened to be the last person I read at the time to mention this solution again, so I quoted you. Nor do I care about the grow up statement that was previously made. It was a legitimate question of where is the cut-off and is there a cut-off to begin with? I'm asking would simply adding "replica" to all legacy items actually stop the griping or would a new gripe begin once more legacy items were made available through these means.

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Well..like I explained already if you were just quoting me to use it as a jump off point for your thoughts then that is fine?

If you reply to someone they are likely going to assume you are talking directly to them unless you split up your thoughts and/or explain otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

How convienient.


For others, those items are all they have left of the community they originally had, before the changes to the game eventually bled them away.

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Phone edit..

I absolutely agree as a 1.0 player who stuck with game since 1.0 beta.. everything that meant something has slowly be trashed, watered down, sold for a quick buck. The 1.0 player base is frankly what kept this whole thing alive even after the servers went down twice(once for natural disaster and once for the ending of 1.0) I think this move along with others is wrong but hey that’s my 2cents and Gath’s Is worth more than mine. (1.0 forum joke). I think replicas would be more appropriate than the actual item though it is lazy.