Where is FFXIV headed in terms of sexism?

More worried about gear making my female characters butt look big. My Elvaan Kazira on XI, sometimes I would cry at her thunder hips in certain gear.

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Originally Posted by Leira_Raine

They're not using "sexy" miqo'te to sell the game, after all.

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i'm pretty sure they are, and if there not intentionally trying to there doing a dame good job at it.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

More worried about gear making my female characters butt look big. My Elvaan Kazira on XI, sometimes I would cry at her thunder hips in certain gear.

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Sir Mix-a-Lot wants to have a word with you.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Side note:

giggly gahosafats

I've never heard breasts be called this.

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this thread is now about breast names you have never heard b4

I don't really care. If I want my character to have big tits so be it. Plus women have be objectified for thousands of years. women are beautiful to their beholders in many ways, shapes, and forms. why some get angry over this is beyond me.

Plus sexual objectification nowadays is a two way street. Men also get objectified so i feel SE should give package size options to be fair to the lady players out there.

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Originally Posted by strallaalaa

this thread is now about breast names you have never heard b4

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I thought it was about "big mithra booties you can't deny.. "

Am i actually seeing this thread? Leave the real world debates over the dumbest stuff out of the game world. Can we please leave our games as the last and only place we can relax and get away from the crap that everyone complains about in real life? Can we please?

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Originally Posted by Achtzen

Men also get objectified so i feel SE should give package size options to be fair to the lady players out there.

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I feel like this would be a waste of code, because who wouldn't choose the largest option?

AHHHHh Man come on don't make me lose the chance to have sexy cloth for my Miqo'te and body and go in private INN undress her while i do my thing under the desk lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll hahahahahaha :P Joke

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

AHHHHh Man come on don't make me lose the chance to have sexy cloth for my Miqo'te and body and go in private INN undress her while i do my thing under the desk lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll hahahahahaha :P Joke

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Sounds Serous.

I was not serious but im sure some does it lol hahahahaha in my other game i had guild that was always talking about their character pixels hahahah

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Originally Posted by Laiferr

- Are you concerned about female objectification?
- Are you concerned with how far the FFXIV team will go with sexism?
- Does it in any way effect your enjoyment of the game?
- Has it ever effected how you have been treated as a female avatar?

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No, no , no & yes (positively -- as I role-play my character).

Sexy gear doesn't mean objectification -- it's in people's head that it happens. I enjoy all the pieces of gear, sexy or not, without objectifying things (beside the fact we are talking about digital characters). I think it's great to have sexy gear, emotes and such -- it shows some realism and people were already walking around in underwear anyway.

Stereotypes can't be circumvented easily, it is a video game and as such cannot express the unlimited diversity of the real world.

So, no, I'm not concern by sexism in FFXIV. Regardless of the gear available, the emotes and the character models, sexism will happen anyway. For proof, just look at today's world and go back in history as far as you can. Bam! Sexism, racism, etc.

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

No, no , no & yes (positively -- as I role-play my character).

Sexy gear doesn't mean objectification -- it's in people's head that it happens. I enjoy all the pieces of gear, sexy or not, without objectifying things (beside the fact we are talking about digital characters). I think it's great to have sexy gear, emotes and such -- it shows some realism and people were already walking around in underwear anyway.

Stereotypes can't be circumvented easily, it is a video game and as such cannot express the unlimited diversity of the real world.

So, no, I'm not concern by sexism in FFXIV. Regardless of the gear available, the emotes and the character models, sexism will happen anyway. For proof, just look at today's world and go back in history as far as you can. Bam! Sexism, racism, etc.

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Sexism has existed since the begining of mankind, perhaps even before.

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

Sexism has existed since the begining of mankind.

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Yup. Exactly my point. It's in my people's head, not clothes (regardless of the medium).
So, I do expect more sexy things in the future -- for diversity of choice and to respect everyone's choice.

I wasn't overly concerned until just recently with the live letter.

...breast physics? Ugh.

I've seen it done tastefully in games but not often, Final Fantasy as a series has usually been fairly tame with going overboard on sex appeal they have had said breast physics in a few games and never really seem to have gone too crazy with it the only time I ever even really noticed it was in Dissidea Duodecim and it's pretty hard to notice aside from one instance.

Thankfully a large portion of the issue (The skimpy gear) can be dealt with because they are introducing vanity slots so you can cover up the girls if they are threatening to escape. As a male I can't say I fully understand the problem because I never will but I feel I have a good grasp on the subject. If you ask me aside from the coatee snafu (Even this is arguable to a extent) they generally keep the concept and level of "Revealing" material the same on most gear sets.

It could be far worse, far, far, far worse.

http://www.multiplayergames.com/wp-c...1.11.25-PM.png

So givin that they have yet to do this to us, I'll give them the benifit of the doubt and pray we don't have breasts flying everywhere whenever a female character decides to as much as twitch.

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

Yup. Exactly my point. It's in my people's head, not clothes (regardless of the medium).
So, I do expect more sexy things in the future -- for diversity of choice and to respect everyone's choice.

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Sexy doesnt have to be nearly naked though. More sexy, less naked armors? Sure lol - armor"ed" and naked together just hurts my head XD.

@Jynx with his fancy image lol :P
I hate Terra's armors >.> - I didnt even try to play the game because of that reason alone.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Sexy doesnt have to be nearly naked though.

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Precisely.

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Originally Posted by Laiferr

I basically want to know if this is a fantasy world which aims to exclude female players.

I don't feel I should have to hide behind a male avatar just so people don't harass me, and so I'm not a part of the dev teams 'objectification'.

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Nice to meet you. I am Nique and am female IRL.

I am sorry that you have had a bad experience in game.
But you are allowing that experience to cloud your perception. Just because something happened to you does not mean it will happen to others.

Not once in FFXIV have I felt objectified. There was only one incident where I found that my gender influenced what happened and that was actually not negative, just a person hitting on me, nicely.

I like the clothing, I like that in December when it is snowing I look all snuggly warm in my Whm AF... but equally I like to wear much less in the seemingly hotter seasons, or if I take SS's at the Eorzean beach. I like that my character is attractive, it makes her fun to draw. I do wish I had an option to make her hips wider ... but oh well. I do not like the swimwear because the design of the top is ugly to me lol.

I use ventrillo for mostly everything, so I am known on my server to be IRL female (Not a manqo'te lol) and frankly the other few females I have played with can take care of themselves, they have never once said to me 'I hate telling people I am a girl' or 'I don't like playing Mi'qo'te because of sexism' and we are all Miqo'te bar one female hyur.

Without knowing your own experiences I can not comment too much, but is it possible you are taking it to heart and being more vulnerable then you have to?

I have encountered huge huge jerks in game... but you know what? They are a jerk to everyone. And even then, I talk to a few people who have a reputation of being a jerk (with good reason) but they are quite pleasant one on one ^^... maybe because I personally didn't fall into the trap of flaming them immediately because of their rep... I sought to spek to them as any other person and surprise! They did not aggro me at all ^^

There is one thing I have noticed, now that I think harder on the topic.
A few members of my LS do not seem to be able to get past the fact that for the females (albeit few of us) in the group... the want for bust sizes is not about sexuality.

Things like 'OMG you just want big boobs and your Miqo'te will be top heavy' ... or my personal pet hate, saying that 'then males should get a crotch size option'.

Foolish... The option is chest, if anything males should also have chest (which is better said as build I suppose) Chest does not equal crotch no matter how much you want to push your idea that they are equal to one another.

For me, and the few other FFXIV girls I have spoken to; the chest size is just like a hair option... It is an OPTION. I personally want a well endowed character because I am of similar build IRL.

I know a girl who wants a more small - medium chest because she feels that as an adventurer she would have that body type (which is an immersion based decision vs. my personal decision)

As for the answered question on breast physics; I was surprised not that they chose it to ask, but that they answered it with a (I assume humorous) onomatopoeia... BUT I also know they use a LOT of onomatopoeias in Japanese culture, so for westerners I can understand how saying 'boing boing' could be taken the wrong way.

In the end I thought it was funny... because let's face it, anything that goes boing is there for fun.

What I got most from that question, is that I was happy that physics will play an important part in our characters still (this stems from the concern of animations such as the pivot or start and stop of our characters seeming to be absent)

So, do I feel the game is being sexist? No. Why? Because it is a fantasy world above all. But this will never stop the real worlds stereotypes nor their ignorance nor other real world trends influencing our world. People need to lighten up and ENJOY and respect others enjoyment.

For you, I would suggest trying to take things with a grain of salt, if you feel your issue is more pressing or serious I will happily talk to you about them ^_^

ok finished editing now lol

Lol this thread has some racist undertones supposedly fighting sexism IN A VIDEO GAME. And whats that comment about actual women being objectified based on your avatar? What a fucking joke

I have a female character, 50 culinarian. Soon I'll be able to build a house, probably with a kitchen.
I'm going to unequip my boots and make sandwiches in that kitchen.
All is as it should be.

As a strong independent woman I find this blatant sexism offensive.

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Originally Posted by Eremite

I have a female character, 50 culinarian. Soon I'll be able to build a house, probably with a kitchen.
I'm going to unequip my boots and make sandwiches in that kitchen.
All is as it should be.

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I didn't see anything about being naked with only an apron.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I didn't see anything about being naked with only an apron.

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I know right.

I have met way more females in-game that enjoy the skimpy gear than those that don't so it ain't gonna change any time soon and we already had this thread from another purist ugly girl

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I have met way more females in-game that enjoy the skimpy gear than those that don't so it ain't gonna change any time soon and we already had this thread from another purist ugly girl

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That's a bit of a leap.

come on its fun to use women character there always a loser who give you free stuff thinking you a real girl. Lol ..happen to me few time...i use my wife name "korean name" in every game and in few game guy came to ask me if i was korean girl ..before i tell them no they give me by trade something you buy by credit card. I just shut up and say yeah i am lol hahahaha

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

come on its fun to use women character there always a loser who give you free stuff thinking you a real girl. Lol ..happen to me few time...i use my wife name "korean name" in every game and in few game guy came to ask me if i was korean girl ..before i tell them no they give me by trade something you buy by credit card. I just shut up and say yeah i am lol hahahaha

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;) hey bb wan2 fuk? ;DDD

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

As a strong independent woman I find this blatant sexism offensive.

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You forgot "Who don't need no man." and a /zsnap.

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Originally Posted by Almalexia

;) hey bb wan2 fuk? ;DDD

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They didnt add that option in ARR lol hahahahahahaha
If they did i would push my wife to play it right now lol kidding hahahaha

Anyway now i don't do that anymore. cos its get annoying have so much /tell ..and have to make new character lol

I am a woman. I think sexism is a real world issue, but it is not an issue in this game. It is a trait of miqote that they are supposed to be 'sexy', and thus their pose is sexy'. But the other females do not pose in overtly provocative manners. The game is not objectifying women. Some of the characters may be blatantly sexist, but they're characters and they need realistic personalities. Skimpy gear was released upon player request.
ALL men enjoy skimpily dressed women, no matter how much of a woman-respecting gentlemen they may be (unless they're also gay). Some women (even straight) like to see sexy females or want to play as a sexy female.

You are reading way, way, way too much into this.

http://photo.mmosite.com/kabod/picfi...42qm8kb5.shtml (i'd hit previous instead of next all there really naked ones are previous lol)

could be way worse lol. our future in mmo's could slowly move to this being the norm. woo woot ...but if you scroll threw those pics they are all fuzed out but the point of that mmo is you start off with lots of close and the higher and more epic you get the less close you wear till you are almost naked ...just thought it was a funny mmo and obviously targeted for men and not women.

and tera lol soft boob tecnology lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5U9FGwhxIs

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Originally Posted by Warlock

I have met way more females in-game that enjoy the skimpy gear than those that don't so it ain't gonna change any time soon and we already had this thread from another purist ugly girl

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THIS post is sexist (assuming any woman going over the top about sexism must be ugly), but the game is not.

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Originally Posted by strallaalaa

and tera lol soft boob tecnology lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5U9FGwhxIs

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OMG lol really look like JELLO hahahahahahahahaahahahahaha IMA eat that lol

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Originally Posted by strallaalaa

and tera lol soft boob tecnology lmao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5U9FGwhxIs

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I know this makes me a terrible person but I like it!

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

cos we dont take sexist in game topic so seriously

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I guess that is fair enough. Still frustrating though ^^;;;

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Originally Posted by Jynx

It's ok I for one read it and am glad that people still post well thought out opinions instead of just posting for post sakes.

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Much appreciated ^^

No to all, I wear sexy cloths irl but tasteful, including bikinis, my boobs jiggle, all of this is natural to me and I think it adds to the realism of the game. What did gladiators wear in the Colosseum? Ummm yeah. If anything I think my avatar is less sexy than me, I'm an extrovert but you can be an extrovert in a tasteful way.

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Originally Posted by Lapulapu

No to all, I wear sexy cloths irl but tasteful, including bikinis, my boobs jiggle, all of this is natural to me and I think it adds to the realism of the game. What did gladiators wear in the Colosseum? Ummm yeah. If anything I think my avatar is less sexy than me, I'm an extrovert but you can be an extrovert in a tasteful way.

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The poor ("set up with the bomb") gladiators wore scraps of crappy armor - the rich ("set up with all your bases") wore a much more complete set. While it is true they wore light armor it wasn't pimping armor. The Colosseum gear is nothing like Colosseum gear.. lol

Bikini's offer little protection but are designed to draw it - so... I think SE screwed up and forgot to put +1000 enmity 0 defense:P

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Originally Posted by Lapulapu

No to all, I wear sexy cloths irl but tasteful, including bikinis, my boobs jiggle, all of this is natural to me and I think it adds to the realism of the game. What did gladiators wear in the Colosseum? Ummm yeah. If anything I think my avatar is less sexy than me, I'm an extrovert but you can be an extrovert in a tasteful way.

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congratulations. I am now in the ranks of people who would like to see you put your money where your mouth (or boobs are) and prove your sexiness. However, I will sulk in the corner and lament the inevitable lack of fulfillment.

I don't see a problem with it. Breasts do bounce. I think it would leave something to complain about if maybe they made the proportions a bit extreme for breasts and rear. But this is not the case. Now if they made heavier characters with bellies and didn't take the time to make their stomachs bounce you would also have an argument. But the lore of FF games includes physical perfection where as every character shares pretty close to the same physical health. That being said, I would not be against enix allowing players to make female characters with breasts small enough that they would not bounce.

honey, women have been objectified since the dawn of time. theyre pleasing to look at in skimpy clothing. it will continue to be this way untill the end of the human race, nothing more needs to be said.
personally i feel that theyre going overboard wit feminimity if anything. i mean seriously your on a mission to save the world, chances are your not going to be all "Tee-hee, girl powerrrrrrr!" im personally re-rolling female rodegayn if theyre models are good.