Fem hroth rigging problems?

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Originally Posted by Shuuchi

It's also the least played race by a long shot. That's probably one of the reasons why Fem Hroths are late by a whole expansion.
Unfortunately, devoting the FF14 team's ever-dwindling resources to fix a problem that only effects a dozen or so people in a world of multiple millions doesn't make sense from a budgeting standpoint.
Low effort for low demand, if you will.

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According to the latest Lucky Bancho survey, female Hrothgar are already more popular globally than female Highlanders, male Highlanders, female Elezen, and almost all Roegadyn. They're about even with male Elezen. They don't beat the "cute" races but nothing ever will except maybe another cute race.

I was surprised myself at how popular they are but I don't think the devs would purposefully neglect a race based on its popularity anyway, if that were the case they wouldn't have designed them that way to begin with. Not every race needs to be massively popular to be a worthy addition to the game. Different options bring different crowds of people into the game.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

According to the latest Lucky Bancho survey, female Hrothgar are already more popular globally than female Highlanders, male Highlanders, female Elezen, and almost all Roegadyn. They're about even with male Elezen. They don't beat the "cute" races but nothing ever will except maybe another cute race.

I was surprised myself at how popular they are but I don't think the devs would purposefully neglect a race based on its popularity anyway, if that were the case they wouldn't have designed them that way to begin with. Not every race needs to be massively popular to be a worthy addition to the game. Different options bring different crowds of people into the game.

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Well, colour me surprised... going from people telling me Hrothgals will be less popular than Femroes with an average of 3 per server, to as popular as Male Elezen. And more popular than Highlanders and Roes...

Well, I can't say it is not deserved, they give a unique feel. You can be beastly and cute. They are quite a peak in terms of fantasy (I'm very subjective on this). Being muscular enough to make a majority of weapons feasible to wield, having a lithe and pleasant body with just enough muscles and shape. And faces that can range from several different wild cats that can be made to look cute and docile or threatening. Also as an added thing, they are the only female race that is tall and has a tail. So from my perspective, it is obvious they are popular, but it is also nice to know that a lot more people agree!

There is no competition, of course, but it's nice to feel validated after 6 years of being told otherwise! :3

They're the token Furry race, so of course they're going to be popular regardless.

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Originally Posted by LLSmoothJ

They're the token Furry race, so of course they're going to be popular regardless.

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Something something glass house, something something rocks...

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Many would have stayed hrothgal if they had the same features and access as the other races.

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Quite literally me! I love their look, I love the animations, they have the best voices for emotes and combat, and they're just more different then the norm. I can deal with the ridiculously limited options, no problem for me there, but the armor rigging making any full armor sets look straight up stupid and comical forced me back off of them. I 100% believe that I'm not the only one and Hrothgals would have a higher playrate if they hadn't messed up on these things.

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Originally Posted by Shuuchi

Hroth shares assets with Roe, that much is obvious. Been calling them Roe with fur glued on since day one.
It's also the least played race by a long shot. That's probably one of the reasons why Fem Hroths are late by a whole expansion.
Unfortunately, devoting the FF14 team's ever-dwindling resources to fix a problem that only effects a dozen or so people in a world of multiple millions doesn't make sense from a budgeting standpoint.
Low effort for low demand, if you will.

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So, to dial it back for a moment, why release them in the first place then? Is it not disingenuous to release a half-assed race and then refuse to bring them to a polished state akin to the other playable races because "they're the least played race"? The statistics for hrothgar and viera are despite their issues. If they were complete their numbers would be much higher.

- signed, person who would play a viera if they had hat support + all hairstyle options.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...b02db53760729&

*sigh* Looks like they're going to stick with the idea of Warcraft like shoulders for female Hrothgars. I highly doubt they'll ever fix all the broken and weird looking glamours, but I can't expect much from a small indie company. Sooner than this they'll fix hats for Viera for sure.

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Originally Posted by Minali

https://imgur.com/JGvd2xFl.png

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That glam looks great on literally every other model than hrothgal btw. No hats, very few hair options, weird oversized shoulders and arms, glam options are so limited. Idk if they're gonna fix that with the patch but I can always hope.

https://i.imgur.com/72T3JEd.png

THEY DID IT LADS. PARTIALLY, ANYWAY

KEEP REPORTING INDIVUDUAL PIECES!!!

I wonder if that's a complete list. Their own racial gear has the issue as well and it's not on there unless I'm overlooking it.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I wonder if that's a complete list. Their own racial gear has the issue as well and it's not on there unless I'm overlooking it.

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Maybe in the patchnotes overview and look for a translation.

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Originally Posted by Meifala

https://i.imgur.com/72T3JEd.png

THEY DID IT LADS. PARTIALLY, ANYWAY

KEEP REPORTING INDIVUDUAL PIECES!!!

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I was so excited to see the notes, I'm so glad they are working on this :)

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

I wonder if that's a complete list. Their own racial gear has the issue as well and it's not on there unless I'm overlooking it.

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They did NOT fix the hrothgar vambraces :(

https://i.gyazo.com/e494e6953b5b221d...51900d725c.png


On a positive note though they DID fix the summer halter clipping into the collarbone :D

https://i.gyazo.com/c4489cc2f0952ae0...22f84a7709.png

I did notice the difference with duelist stuff and I did send them a report about it, so this is nice! But a lot of stuff still looks weird, do they just expect us to send reports on each individual piece? sounds kinda insane to me... I really love my gal but thinking of using a fantasia again

Personally, I am thrilled they acknowledged it period and will be aware of it. At least new gear should scale correctly now. I do find it amusing they fixed this list and yet didn't fix the racial armor. Oh SE.

Glad to see it being worked on, it is not comprehensive though. They still have work to do! I love my fem hroth and the issues have meant me not really playing much.

Yeah, I'm relieved and noticed a lot of (good) differences this morning when I logged in. Slowly, but surely. Weird they didn't fix the racial armor, though.

It's nice to see some progress at least. I just hope they don't expect us to report every single piece of gear that looks odd, because that's basically almost every gear piece...

My glams have yet to be fixed, but I can wait.

SO.....this is kind of hilarious (and sad) but some of the new gear has the same horrible arms problem, particularly the new craftable outfit with the scarf, looks like it was made for male roe. It is awful.

(Please imagine the mass facepalm gif when looking at this post.)

I don't think they actually fixed anything or they didn't actually put it on live? (Diadochos Jacket of Scouting)

https://i.imgur.com/c64hiZQ.png

Worst is still, as someone pointed out. That at some point in the development their proportions were right.

So at some point they screwed up what they had and stuck with it?

Is it that hard to copy their stuff from female Roe and not male Hroth?

If female hrothgar use assets from elezen, I wonder if this happened as some kind of over-steering when they resized the sleeves. Still, it's ridiculous this could even happen, and I hope most item sets will be investigated.
One of my favorite sets, the Fierce Tyrant attire, has ludicrously oversized gauntlets even though the torso's sleeves are fine. The same goes for the Archfiend attire. Very saddening for some of the coolest sets.
https://i.imgur.com/UrdNSmR.png

I also like the Vanguard dungeon sets a lot, and they all seem to have oversized arms on female hrothgar to some extent. One of my friends tried on the fending armor as a female roegadyn, and for their character, it looked fine? Why is this worse on female hrothgar...?

I like fem hroth so much but for these problems they stop me from using fantasia...

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

SO.....this is kind of hilarious (and sad) but some of the new gear has the same horrible arms problem, particularly the new craftable outfit with the scarf, looks like it was made for male roe. It is awful.

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The way they're handling hrothgar♀ reminds me of how they're handling hats for hrothgar/viera. Release them broken, and fix a couple or so after a few patches.

Hey guys, check out this Manusya jacket of casting.
https://i.imgur.com/RpVg3PD.png

I've noticed quite a bit more is fixed than what is on the list they provided. Most of what I've seen looks pretty normal now.

It's nice to hear they keep working on it. Personally I couldn't see any change in my own glams so far, but I also don't know their priority list. (Still weird to me how the basic Hrothgal gear is not on the very top of it...)

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Originally Posted by Minali

It's nice to hear they keep working on it. Personally I couldn't see any change in my own glams so far, but I also don't know their priority list. (Still weird to me how the basic Hrothgal gear is not on the very top of it...)

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I still suspect they might have intentionally widened some gauntlets like that once they realized the torso sleeves were too wide, because they'd twist or clip otherwise. But that may be wishfully thinking about how aware they were. In any case, I think glove slot gear might come second while they fix the sleeves first.

I saw nothing about this in the patch notes, this time. It'd be a bummer if I log in tomorrow and nothing is fixed.

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Originally Posted by Picothea

I saw nothing about this in the patch notes, this time. It'd be a bummer if I log in tomorrow and nothing is fixed.

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I think it is being done piece by piece, and probably not worth noting. I do think they intentionally made some pieces ridiculously big (why? No idea). I am just looking forward to what 2-3 old hairstyles they've added (fingers crossed for the dreadlocks).

Considering they added hairstyles without mentioning it, has anyone noticed any changes in their arm and body gear?
I know the Hrothgal vambraces remain to be broken with this huge ring on the upper arm, and the WAR HW class gear I reported ages ago remains to be massive as well.

I wish they had used female Viera body instead of female Roegadin.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

I wish they had used female Viera body instead of female Roegadin.

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That would have been very poorly fitting. Think about the huge difference it would make between male and female hrothgar.
Also, as far as I know, female hrothgar bodies are actually edited from elezen, not roegadyn. It probably has to do with the length of the legs or something.

The overly beefy sleeves curse continues. Very sad to see. I waited years for our dear fem hrothy and she is left in this state. For shame.

Unfortunately, I can't see any improvements on the particular sets I was keeping an eye on, nor have I heard of any yet.
Maybe there's something that was changed, but it's really a shame we aren't getting anything clear about the arms in this patch. I wish Square Enix was more willing to at least say "we're working on it".
Here are the Fierce Tyrant's Gauntlets, Archfiend's Gauntlets, Vanguard Fending/Maiming Gauntlets + Armor, and one bonus (Augmented) Fighter's Cuirass. It's bad.
https://i.imgur.com/pTYlpJi.png https://i.imgur.com/CkySG5Q.png https://i.imgur.com/LHRnyQI.png
They did at least fix the issue I reported where the Vanguard armor had an incorrectly-stretched part of the shoulder, but unfortunately that did not include fixing the hrothgar proportions.

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Originally Posted by Picothea

I saw nothing about this in the patch notes, this time. It'd be a bummer if I log in tomorrow and nothing is fixed.

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We got nothing about Hairstyles in the patch notes either, and still somehow got some, so who knows!
They don't even add us in the patch notes anymore, that's how much we matter to them, LOL!

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Originally Posted by Picothea

That would have been very poorly fitting. Think about the huge difference it would make between male and female hrothgar.
Also, as far as I know, female hrothgar bodies are actually edited from elezen, not roegadyn. It probably has to do with the length of the legs or something.

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well, compare female and male AuRa, they also look very different in proportions.

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Originally Posted by Arohk

well, compare female and male AuRa, they also look very different in proportions.

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Yes but we already have slender tiny catgirls, we don't need catgirls 2.0 with a different name slapped on them. I am very happy with their design, I'm just annoyed the gear doesn't fit. But these are two different topics.

I personally think female hrothgar are the perfect combo of slender and muscular. We are feminine enough, but are arms provide enough strength without looking weird. Which is why the armor scaling for some pieces are so crazy because it's treating our arms like male roe or male hrothgar when they really aren't that big at all.