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06-12-2012, 02:01 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Forumites: EVERY OTHER MMO HAS JUMP, UNREALISTIC IF CAN'T JUMP! WANT IMMERSION JUMP, GIVE US NOW!!!:mad::mad:

Devs: But we've built a game where you don't need to jump.:confused:

Forumites: GIVE NOW OR /RAGEQUIT!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Devs: sigh... Ok, we got it working for 2.0. But please understand that it will not have an impact on gameplay. Its just for your immersion.;)

Forumites: WTF DEVS!?! WE GET JUMP AND IT NOT DO NOTHING??! MAKE IT HAVE REASON FOR JUMP!! GIVE US JUMP ZONE FOR MARIO ACTION GAMEPLAY, MAKE FOR BATTLE JUMPING!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Devs: orz, why do we even bother?:(

Pretty much..I remember very clearly people saying they're wrong that people won't complain if they get jump and all it ends up being is an animation/emote of some kind.
06-12-2012, 02:02 AM
CrystalWeapon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Forumites: EVERY OTHER MMO HAS JUMP, UNREALISTIC IF CAN'T JUMP! WANT IMMERSION JUMP, GIVE US NOW!!!:mad::mad:

Devs: But we've built a game where you don't need to jump.:confused:

Forumites: GIVE NOW OR /RAGEQUIT!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Devs: sigh... Ok, we got it working for 2.0. But please understand that it will not have an impact on gameplay. Its just for your immersion.;)

Forumites: WTF DEVS!?! WE GET JUMP AND IT NOT DO NOTHING??! MAKE IT HAVE REASON FOR JUMP!! GIVE US JUMP ZONE FOR MARIO ACTION GAMEPLAY, MAKE FOR BATTLE JUMPING!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Devs: orz, why do we even bother?:(

Pretty sure that's not how it went down. In fact when Yoshi looked at the results from the poll asking about jump he was shocked that so many people were against it. He said he personally liked it because jumping made it feel like you weren't glued to the ground.

It's not going to be in because it was what a majority wanted. It's going to be in place because the producer himself personally likes having the option. Give me a sec and I'll quote what was said on it.

Edit: Correction it wasn't in a poll. Had to do a bit of digging to find this old ass post.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings everyone! FFXIV Producer/Director Yoshida has made some comments about "jumping" that we wanted to make sure you saw!

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Hi everyone, this is Producer/Director Yoshida!

Thanks so much for the lively discussion in regards to jumping.
Since the points that we are currently reviewing in regards to jumping have caused a lot of confusion for the community, I’ll go ahead organize them there.

Jump review:
•One form of emotional expression
•Additional action-related expression during movement
•Able to get over small fences (This is not the main idea)
I believe that jumping as a form of expression, which allows the player to indicate the location of NPCs and also to inform others of meeting locations, will be able to be used in many subtle ways.
However comments such as "Aesthetically, the game will be ruined by everyone jumping around," and "It’s not FINAL FANTASY," and other comments were a bit unexpected, so I decided to add these types of comments into our discussion as well.

Though the idea of jumping was based on wanting to reduce the feeling of being tied to the ground, I will continue to evaluate whether or not this should be implemented by following along with your discussions and comments!

Map Collision Detection Adjustments:
•Being unable to descend ledges where it seems you can easily fall off
•Feeling of strangeness when you can't climb up a hill that looks to be easily climbable
We have received a lot of feedback pointing these things out from numerous players, but the task of relieving stress during character movement is currently being tested by development in the form of map collision detection adjustments.
If you can think about this separately from the jump implementation discussion it would really help a lot.
06-12-2012, 02:18 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

Pretty sure that's not how it went down. In fact when Yoshi looked at the results from the poll asking about jump he was shocked that so many people were against it. He said he personally liked it because jumping made it feel like you weren't glued to the ground.

It's not going to be in because it was what a majority wanted. It's going to be in place because the producer himself personally likes having the option. Give me a sec and I'll quote what was said on it.

Yep, he also likes the concept of Skillchain and MB from FFXI (he actually said this for those of you who thinks he's ignoring this game) so I hope no one complains or is surprised if battle regimen ends up as a spirtual successor to it when it's reimplemented.
06-12-2012, 02:18 AM
Jokerz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Forumites: EVERY OTHER MMO HAS JUMP, UNREALISTIC IF CAN'T JUMP! WANT IMMERSION JUMP, GIVE US NOW!!!:mad::mad:

Devs: But we've built a game where you don't need to jump.:confused:

Forumites: GIVE NOW OR /RAGEQUIT!!!:mad::mad::mad:

Devs: sigh... Ok, we got it working for 2.0. But please understand that it will not have an impact on gameplay. Its just for your immersion.;)

Forumites: WTF DEVS!?! WE GET JUMP AND IT NOT DO NOTHING??! MAKE IT HAVE REASON FOR JUMP!! GIVE US JUMP ZONE FOR MARIO ACTION GAMEPLAY, MAKE FOR BATTLE JUMPING!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Devs: orz, why do we even bother?:(

I really can't wait till someone tries to "jump" over their first fence:D
06-12-2012, 02:25 AM
CrystalWeapon

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yep, he also likes the concept of Skillchain and MB from FFXI (he actually said this for those of you who thinks he's ignoring this game) so I hope no one complains or is surprised if battle regimen ends up as a spirtual successor to it when it's reimplemented.

Believe it or not I have been playing xi since '04. I still do. In fact I'm on your server. Imagine that D: lol

I have no problem with xi's elements being incorporated into xiv. I just don't like the time sinks for the sake of time sinks in both games. If done correctly I think the battle regimen would be a nice addition. I loved sc'ing in xi, sadly no one does it anymore.
06-12-2012, 02:27 AM
Krausus

being able to bunny hop around is more realistic than not being able to jump up or down a 1 foot cliff. Not having jump breaks my immersion.
06-12-2012, 02:28 AM
Zantetsuken

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krausus

being able to bunny hop around is more realistic than not being able to jump up or down a 1 foot cliff. Not having jump breaks my immersion.

That's another way of saying it....

Be sure to add: :mad::mad:
06-12-2012, 02:30 AM
Demacia

Are you people for real?

It's JUST JUMPING. This 21 page thread exists because one guy is disgusted by the possibility of seeing characters jump around?

No words FFXIV forums. No words. That's not to say I believe this game NEEDS a jump command, but at the same time, why not?
06-12-2012, 02:32 AM
KoujiGeki

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Originally Posted by Krausus

being able to bunny hop around is more realistic than not being able to jump up or down a 1 foot cliff. Not having jump breaks my immersion.

it does? cause what other FF was there that you could jump in? did you call SquareSoft back in the day that your immersion was ruined?
06-12-2012, 02:33 AM
Onidemon

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Originally Posted by Elexia

See this is where you make no sense. Many MMOs lacked a jump feature or don't use it for anything so I don't see why this particular game nor players are the target of your hate.

I make no sense yet the ones in here hating on jump are pretty much all XI players. All the others played WOW and other mmos and obviously would not have been playing those games if they hated jump so bad and i'm sure none of them quit their MMOs to come to XIV just cuz it didn't have jump.

Sick of stupid nostalgia bullcrap requests. "Oh SE didnt make a XI sequel, i feel so betrayed and so hopeless after wasting 8 years of my life in a video game, so im gonna beg SE the continue my favorite game but with better graphics so i just dont feel like the past 8 years have been a big waste."

and your excuse of other mmo not having jump..... im sure you mean all kind of games that are not even worth mentioning or others that are not even in the same category as XIV and that have not been built to support the feature even if they wanted to. So your point is?
06-12-2012, 02:33 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by Demacia

Are you people for real?

It's JUST JUMPING. This 21 page thread exists because one guy is disgusted by the possibility of seeing characters jump around?

No, it exists because the people who like/want jumping basically stated someone shouldn't have the ability to filter the animation if they choose to.
06-12-2012, 02:33 AM
Krausus

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

That's another way of saying it....

Be sure to add: :mad::mad:

except you are wrong, it wont have any impact for battle, it clearly shows a lala jumping off a cliff, that is what I want jump for. I never once expected to be able to jump up to avoid Ifrit attacks, which wouldn't make any sense at all anyways since they are not just ground attacks but actual explosions.
06-12-2012, 02:34 AM
Krausus

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

it does? cause what other FF was there that you could jump in? did you call SquareSoft back in the day that your immersion was ruined?

FFXIII, FFXIII-2
06-12-2012, 02:34 AM
Gramul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demacia

Are you people for real?

It's JUST JUMPING. This 21 page thread exists because one guy is disgusted by the possibility of seeing characters jump around?

No words FFXIV forums. No words. That's not to say I believe this game NEEDS a jump command, but at the same time, why not?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krausus

being able to bunny hop around is more realistic than not being able to jump up or down a 1 foot cliff. Not having jump breaks my immersion.

The toggle won't effect those that use jump, just how others see them. You can still jump around to your hearts content, but we won't see you doing it. It won't hurt you in any way.
06-12-2012, 02:34 AM
Elexia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krausus

FFXIII, FFXIII-2

I think most if not all FF games had at minimum contextual jump xD
06-12-2012, 02:36 AM
Krausus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gramul

The toggle won't effect those that use jump, just how others see them. You can still jump around to your hearts content, but we won't see you doing it. It won't hurt you in any way.

ok but will it not bother you to see people slide up or down a cliff?
06-12-2012, 02:36 AM
Zantetsuken

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Originally Posted by Krausus

FFXIII, FFXIII-2

Context Jumping.. it had a purpose in those games -- so much so that you couldn't jump unless you needed to.

FFXIV jumping is the exact opposite. It's 100% meaningless - and you can do it at any time.

For the record, I would have very much preferred the FFX-2, and FFXIII style jumping in this game if it was integrated into the initial design.

But it wasn't, so I don't think jumping (as a silly emote-style action) is needed at all.

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Originally Posted by Jokerz

I really can't wait till someone tries to "jump" over their first fence:D

Yeah, the devs are gonna regret opening this can of worms if they don't plan on rebuilding every zone to accommodate it.

New players will be baffled by it as well: "So I can jump higher than this table/ledge/fence/rock/log/cliff/etc/etc/etc..but I can't land on it?? WTF is jumping for???"
06-12-2012, 02:38 AM
Gramul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krausus

ok but will it not bother you to see people slide up or down a cliff?

For the 6th time I've mentioned it in this thread. Yoshi has stated that they have no plans for jumping to effect "any of the gameplay".
06-12-2012, 02:39 AM
KoujiGeki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krausus

FFXIII, FFXIII-2

Ok my bad let me rephrase that GOOD Final Fantasys that you could jump.
06-12-2012, 02:39 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

Believe it or not I have been playing xi since '04. I still do. In fact I'm on your server. Imagine that D: lol

I have no problem with xi's elements being incorporated into xiv. I just don't like the time sinks for the sake of time sinks in both games. If done correctly I think the battle regimen would be a nice addition. I loved sc'ing in xi, sadly no one does it anymore.

Yeah, which is something I think a lot don't realize, even if they borrow from XI it won't be an exact copy since I mean..people complained about even 5 minute lockout timers in this game, I highly doubt they'd copy the time sinky nature of x content concept if they do use it lol. SC+MB was one of my favorite things to do especially as a BLU since you can SC and MB all on your own if no one else in the party wanted to.
06-12-2012, 02:39 AM
Onidemon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demacia

Are you people for real?

It's JUST JUMPING. This 21 page thread exists because one guy is disgusted by the possibility of seeing characters jump around?

No words FFXIV forums. No words. That's not to say I believe this game NEEDS a jump command, but at the same time, why not?

Exactly. Why isn't anyone else in here capable of using damn common sense or is that a skill that has been lost in these forums?
06-12-2012, 02:39 AM
Krausus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Context Jumping.. it had a purpose in those games -- so much so that you couldn't jump unless you needed to.

FFXIV jumpin is the exact opposite. It's 100% meaningless - and you can do it at any time.

wrong, FFXIII-2 you could jump when ever you wanted to, and it wont be meaningless in FFXIV it just wont be used to dodge abilities in battle, I want it for terrain navigation I think it is a safe bet that pro-jumpers want it for the same reason. I dont care if they add a filter but I think if they do you folks will just bitch about people sliding up and down things.
06-12-2012, 02:39 AM
Elexia

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

Ok my bad let me rephrase that GOOD Final Fantasys that you could jump.

FFIII (iirc), FFIV, FFV, FFVI..FFVIII, FFIX, FFX, FFCC...
06-12-2012, 02:40 AM
Krausus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gramul

For the 6th time I've mentioned it in this thread. Yoshi has stated that they have no plans for jumping to effect "any of the gameplay".

and yet the screenshot clearly shows a lala jumping off a cliff...
06-12-2012, 02:41 AM
KoujiGeki

dont worry we are only 3 percent. The other 97% dont give a crap about jumping.
06-12-2012, 02:41 AM
Onidemon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elexia

No, it exists because the people who like/want jumping basically stated someone shouldn't have the ability to filter the animation if they choose to.

Yes because filtering the animation is no big deal. The dev teams really has nothing better to do than to work on meaningless features for a minority of close minded people.
06-12-2012, 02:42 AM
KoujiGeki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elexia

FFIII (iirc), FFIV, FFV, FFVI..FFVIII, FFIX, FFX, FFCC...

Jump as implyoing hitting a button and jumping when you want, not run up to a point and wait for the X to allow you top jump.
06-12-2012, 02:44 AM
Elexia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onidemon

Yes because filtering the animation is no big deal. The dev teams really has nothing better to do than to work on meaningless features for a minority of close minded people.

/toggle head on/off
/toggle mh on/off

I'm sorry..what was that about them having nothing better to do than work on meaningless features? People weren't complaining about helmets or their weapons always being out yet they incorporated said toggles for the people who wanted it. >.>
06-12-2012, 02:45 AM
Krausus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elexia

/toggle head on/off
/toggle mh on/off

I'm sorry..what was that about them having nothing better to do than work on meaningless features? People weren't complaining about helmets or their weapons always being out yet they incorporated said toggles for the people who wanted it. >.>

well actually they did complain about helm, and the mh was for the swimsuits.

Edit: for the record I'm not against a toggle but I dont think that will stop anti-jumpers from complaining.
06-12-2012, 02:45 AM
Zantetsuken

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onidemon

Yes because filtering the animation is no big deal. The dev teams really has nothing better to do than to work on meaningless features for a minority of close minded people.

See: Jumping
06-12-2012, 02:46 AM
Gramul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krausus

and yet the screenshot clearly shows a lala jumping off a cliff...

The screenshot shows a Lalafel using the jump animation while walking down a small cliff. Something we can already do.
http://www.ffandmore.com/wp-content/...me-Jumping.png
06-12-2012, 02:47 AM
KoujiGeki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elexia

/toggle head on/off
/toggle mh on/off

I'm sorry..what was that about them having nothing better to do than work on meaningless features? People weren't complaining about helmets or their weapons always being out yet they incorporated said toggles for the people who wanted it. >.>

well in defense of the display head off. I like to see my characters hair and face. and for the sake of ppls immersion that they claim, you dont see knights in town wearing their helmets all the time they do take them off while they leave their body armor on.
06-12-2012, 02:47 AM
Elexia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krausus

well actually they did complain about helm, and the mh was for the swimsuits.

And yet I don't see anyone's gameplay suffering from an implementation of a graphic filter D:
06-12-2012, 02:47 AM
Demacia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elexia

No, it exists because the people who like/want jumping basically stated someone shouldn't have the ability to filter the animation if they choose to.

Tbh I think that's extra work for the dev team to add a silly/BS feature. XI is still my favorite, love-of-my-life MMO, but I played other MMOs too and jumping is not that big of a deal. Not big enough to be able to TOGGLE OFF ARE YOU FOR REAL?

What's next? Can I toggle Lalafells off because I think they're hideous little monsters?
06-12-2012, 02:48 AM
Krausus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elexia

And yet I don't see anyone's gameplay suffering from an implementation of a graphic filter D:

see edit =)
06-12-2012, 02:49 AM
Elexia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demacia

Tbh I think that's extra work for the dev team to add a silly/BS feature. XI is still my favorite, love-of-my-life MMO, but I played other MMOs too and jumping is not that big of a deal. Not big enough to be able to TOGGLE OFF ARE YOU FOR REAL?

What's next? Can I toggle Lalafells off because I think they're hideous little monsters?

I'm in support of toggling off male elezens cuz their lack of nipples disturb me.

Quote:

Not big enough to be able to TOGGLE OFF ARE YOU FOR REAL?

Considering it has no purpose and is more than likely just an emote, a lot of MMOs allow you toggle emote animations which is pretty much why it's not in the realm of being "a big deal or not", it's more given it's implementation it would fall into a basic MMO filter.
06-12-2012, 02:50 AM
Hohenheim

Playerbase who doesn't want jumping is Cra Cra!! Just deal with jump it's not so bad its ok this is not the end of the world

Ps, FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS <<
06-12-2012, 02:50 AM
Elexia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krausus

see edit =)

Pretty much nothing will stop anyone from complaining xD
06-12-2012, 02:50 AM
KoujiGeki

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demacia

Tbh I think that's extra work for the dev team to add a silly/BS feature. XI is still my favorite, love-of-my-life MMO, but I played other MMOs too and jumping is not that big of a deal. Not big enough to be able to TOGGLE OFF ARE YOU FOR REAL?

What's next? Can I toggle Lalafells off because I think they're hideous little monsters?

Jin is gonna be so sad when he sees that.
06-12-2012, 02:51 AM
Krausus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gramul

The screenshot shows a Lalafel using the jump animation while walking down a small cliff. Something we can already do.
http://www.ffandmore.com/wp-content/...me-Jumping.png

Possibly, I guess we will have to see (though that doesn't look like one of the small cliffs we can currently slide down). Having a gatherer it is annoying as hell not being able to jump up or down small cliffs (which there are still very much a lot that you cant)

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