Garuda's Wings Clipped: "Where The Wind Blows"

Congrats guys.

Only taking 7 hours to clear new content is blehhhhhhhhh

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

Congrats guys.

Only taking 7 hours to clear new content just seems so... I'll stop there.

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" That's" because they Job stacked" Yeppers :P

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Originally Posted by Starlord

" That's" because they Job stacked" Yeppers :P

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Not sure if i would consider 3 blms stacking 4 blms maybe and 5 definitely, but 3 is pushing it. Anyways, bet you cant do it.. burn.

edit, im actually not sure if your being sarcastic, if so sorry for the burn,lol.

3 BLM out of 8 party members is stacking?

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Originally Posted by Alerith

3 BLM out of 8 party members is stacking?

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Anything other than using all 7 classes and a second paladin to fill the final party member is considered class stacking, didn't you know?

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lol the complete and utter level of strawberry jelly in this thread is overwhelming...

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

http://i.imgur.com/FdwD0.png

lol the complete and utter level of strawberry jelly in this thread is overwhelming...

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no preserves here, I haven't even logged in since patch went live so I can't judge the difficulty lol.

I am in no way trying to take away from a BG win. It's pretty awesome seeing you guys be the first to take it down.

Just disappointed due to the fact that it only took 7 hours for the content to get smashed out. Easy, etc etc

and I know... u jelly bruh, get super mad, etc etc

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Originally Posted by Req

Anything other than using all 7 classes and a second paladin to fill the final party member is considered class stacking, didn't you know?

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Stacking consists of letting players not go their most Favoriteist job in the world, like drg. Didn't you read pages 1-18

3 BLM and 2 BRD is class stacking because its essentially "everyone keep away except the tanks" in this sort of fight (where the mob isn't paticurlaly weak or resistant to magic, and weapon damage types don't do much if anything) you could swap those BLM for BRD and it would go the same.

Starlord, count your posts in this thread then count your likes. Then please get the message. You're being a mong.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

3 BLM and 2 BRD is class stacking because its essentially "everyone keep away except the tanks"

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so let me get this straight. using ranged dps is considered class stacking or using more than one class is considered class stacking. now you're completely just grasping at straws because everyone here is completely disagreeing with you and I feel like its making you emo. would it be considered class stacking if we had drg/mnk/pld in the party and had them all stand at range and then use throwing weapons? would you still be butthurt?

Let him go DRG and throw Angons the whole battle, it's like XI all over again:D

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

so let me get this straight. using ranged dps is considered class stacking or using more than one class is considered class stacking. now you're completely just grasping at straws because everyone here is completely disagreeing with you and I feel like its making you emo. would it be considered class stacking if we had drg/mnk/pld in the party and had them all stand at range and then use throwing weapons? would you still be butthurt?

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who cares if it is stacking, or whatever people want to call it... If certain jobs are powerful when used together, it is only logical to use said jobs..

Who cares what classes/jobs are used... people are just using the tools that SE provides.. if it is too powerful it will be nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Baxta

Starlord, count your posts in this thread then count your likes. Then please get the message. You're being a mong.

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So either you see this game as a job and you have to have everything leveled or you agree with locking people out of content because they don't like playing the flavor of the month DD, that phrase has been used alot on Mysidia I wonder why could it be everyone sticks to the easy mode strats the first people to beat it use. Wow that was so hard to figure out, go play your hello kitty online if you want easy mode.

A total of 30 attempts. Ridiculous, I certainly don't have that stamina anymore to do something 30 times in a row. I'd lose my mind.

Regardless congrats! I look forward to running this through myself.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

3 BLM and 2 BRD is class stacking because its essentially "everyone keep away except the tanks" in this sort of fight (where the mob isn't paticurlaly weak or resistant to magic, and weapon damage types don't do much if anything) you could swap those BLM for BRD and it would go the same.

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Why werent you complaining about this when they released the original garuda promo video? It was blatantly obvious even then that the ranged damage attackers were the superior classes as far as efficiency in this fight goes.

Its really quite simple, if you are mad people class stack you can either A. not suck at your job so people want you to play whatever job your favorite job is, or B. Find a linkshell that would rather play their favorite jobs over going in with an optimal set up.

Whether or not the first kill had multiple classes or not is a moot point because just getting that original kill down and getting used to the mechanics is the first step to opening doors to other classes. I guarantee you within the weekend we are going to see a ton of videos with multiple classes in the party spring up because outside of paladin, as long as you have someone that is decent at their job and knows their role in a fight the classes are pretty balanced.

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Originally Posted by ThePatriarch

no preserves here, I haven't even logged in since patch went live so I can't judge the difficulty lol.

I am in no way trying to take away from a BG win. It's pretty awesome seeing you guys be the first to take it down.

Just disappointed due to the fact that it only took 7 hours for the content to get smashed out. Easy, etc etc

and I know... u jelly bruh, get super mad, etc etc

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Well, it's not like SE has shown us they can create "hard" content, unless its in the form of something ridiculously absurd such as Absolute Virtue. The only reason why Ifrit took so long to kill was because of the terribad server structure and animation lag that plagued the instance and fight.

People who are good at videogames make videogames easy.

This is unironically the best thread, thank you all for the entertainment on a slow work day. And grats again to BG.

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

Well, it's not like SE has shown us they can create "hard" content, unless its in the form of something ridiculously absurd such as Absolute Virtue.

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AV and PW weren't hard. Caturaes were hard in comparison, AV and PW have gimmics you have to get around. Nyzul Uncharted is hard in comparison. They can create hard content, but the thing is difficulty is subjective and you should know this.

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

so let me get this straight. using ranged dps is considered class stacking or using more than one class is considered class stacking. now you're completely just grasping at straws because everyone here is completely disagreeing with you and I feel like its making you emo. would it be considered class stacking if we had drg/mnk/pld in the party and had them all stand at range and then use throwing weapons? would you still be butthurt?

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Its the same stratagy whether its BLM or BRD RANGED ATTACK ONRY, unless your tanking, get one melee DD not designed for tanking in there and I would not say its class stacking, BG comes up with the same easy mode strats every patch, I have NEVER heard of you guys actually meleeing bosses, if there is a source that says other wise I will gladly take that comment back.

All I am asking is to stop encouraging locking most classes out of content, as I said I went 1-2 months doing nothing except trying to get a DH group on my LNC because "ogre will rape any melee dds" (actually said to me when it was release, when it was harder) this happened for that whole 1-2 months after that strat was locked down, and when everyone said people will experement with other setups and if I recall it was BG that used that strat, that is the main reason I am against using 2 of the 5 DDs.

Heres something try with BLM, BRD and 1 melee DD if you get a win with that I will think more of BG rather than every time I see the term BG I think "oh the guys that figured out easy mode.

BG may force you to lvl every job, they may force you to play something you don't like (the comments about me crying because I can't play DRG make this very clear, people that have said that don't seem to comprihend the concept of enjoyment) but that is not how I roll, if I want to play something I will, I just don't want to be locked out of content, can you understand that???

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Originally Posted by Gunslinger

People who are good at videogames make videogames easy.

This is unironically the best thread, thank you all for the entertainment on a slow work day. And grats again to BG.

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So your saying playing a game on easy mode as opposed to very hard makes you a better player, ok epic logic failure.

People who are good at videogames can adapt to anything, they can melee a fight that has alot of AoEs, think Kirin from FFXI, when that was released it was a hard fight, then the kiting stratagy was adopted, now melee were still invited to that even if it was meditate TP, WS, drop pt, run safe and repeat thats a stratagy for a hard fight and it involves everyone, not people saying "sry BRD/BLM ONRY!!!"

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Originally Posted by Delsus

BG may force you to[...]

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On this doll, point to where where BG touched you. It's okay... we're all victims here. It's the end of the line for you Richard!!

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Originally Posted by Delsus

So your saying playing a game on easy mode as opposed to very hard makes you a better player, ok epic logic failure.

People who are good at videogames can adapt to anything, they can melee a fight that has alot of AoEs, think Kirin from FFXI, when that was released it was a hard fight, then the kiting stratagy was adopted, now melee were still invited to that even if it was meditate TP, WS, drop pt, run safe and repeat thats a stratagy for a hard fight and it involves everyone, not people saying "sry BRD/BLM ONRY!!!"

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I want to be the first person to kill something + I should do it "hard mode" = better logic? Hrmm.

No I really don't understand that because we, as a linkshell, don't force anything upon our members that they don't want to do lol. If you linkshell wants to be sheep then let them be sheep.

And also just because a single linkshell beat it in 7 hours does not make the content easy in anyway. Let's see how long it takes the majority of the community to down her + speed kill.

ITT: Efficiency = ez mode.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Its the same stratagy whether its BLM or BRD RANGED ATTACK ONRY, unless your tanking, get one melee DD not designed for tanking in there and I would not say its class stacking, BG comes up with the same easy mode strats every patch, I have NEVER heard of you guys actually meleeing bosses, if there is a source that says other wise I will gladly take that comment back.

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Two things; I see a dd war in there along with the tank so there is your non-ranged dder and how is it easy mode if people are still failing repeatedly (Dead bodies popping outa the fight ever few min.....)

Also wars are tankey there is a big difference between a war in tank gear and a war in dps gear it just so happens that better dps makes squishier characters tankier...

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

No I really don't understand that because we, as a linkshell, don't force anything upon our members that they don't want to do lol. If you linkshell wants to be sheep then let them be sheep.

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Then your elitist members just don't seem to understand what the word enjoyment means, I enjoy meleeing tough mobs, if I join a linkshell and they don't let me melee I will leave them because I am not enjoying, which I point back to your members comments about me "crying because I cannot play DRG" well yeah perhaps I am but that is because the standard stratagy people use (normally the first stratagy to be posted online) doesn't normally allow me to enjoy the game, you see what I am saying there? The only time it has was for ifrit before the job adjustments because that allowed me to play a job I enjoy and I do not want to go back to the old DH days of logging on for 4hrs seeing people go to the dungeon getting reps and being locked out of the content because the right stratagy doesn't involve my job.

I will tell you what happend when I was going to help a pickup (yes help I didn't want anything) they said to me "do you have THM" I say no, they reply "sorry we NEED BLMs" (I don't think that was a BG problem) so in other words people would prefer someone who had never done the fight on BLM over someone who has done it over 100 times on DRG.

So according to these people I am basicly not worthy to play the game because I don't enjoy the Flavor of the month DD.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Then your elitist members just don't seem to understand what the word enjoyment means, I enjoy meleeing tough mobs, if I join a linkshell and they don't let me melee I will leave them because I am not enjoying, which I point back to your members comments about me "crying because I cannot play DRG" well yeah perhaps I am but that is because the standard stratagy people use (normally the first stratagy to be posted online) doesn't normally allow me to enjoy the game, you see what I am saying there? The only time it has was for ifrit before the job adjustments because that allowed me to play a job I enjoy and I do not want to go back to the old DH days of logging on for 4hrs seeing people go to the dungeon getting reps and being locked out of the content because the right stratagy doesn't involve my job.

I will tell you what happend when I was going to help a pickup (yes help I didn't want anything) they said to me "do you have THM" I say no, they reply "sorry we NEED BLMs" (I don't think that was a BG problem) so in other words people would prefer someone who had never done the fight on BLM over someone who has done it over 100 times on DRG.

So according to these people I am basicly not worthy to play the game because I don't enjoy the Flavor of the month DD.

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>> implying you know what our members enjoy
>> implying we don't let melee do fights

you have lost all credibility to anything you have ever said or will ever say in the future. you are butthurt and I truly pity you and on that point I'm done trying to permeate your limited mind with reason.

This is just someone trolling right?

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

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LOL I think you mean this though,

http://i.imgur.com/Jjs2b.jpg

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

>> implying you know what our members enjoy
>> implying we don't let melee do fights

you have lost all credibility to anything you have ever said or will ever say in the future. you are butthurt and I truly pity you and on that point I'm done trying to permeate your limited mind with reason.

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All I'm saying is post a melee win (dont even need a stratagy if you want me to work one out), a few screencaps taken through the fight to show what stratagy it was will suffice, all I have seen as a stratagy (with the exception of 1.19 ifrit) is ranged attack, BLM/BRD only you always say content can be done with a melee setup but never post it, so people stick with the ranged setup, you have said everything I have mentioned can be melee'd but you have never posted anything so people do not do it they stick with what they know.

Wait wait, I thought you were AGAINST 'easy mode' yet you want them to post screen caps and strats?

Got it.

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

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lol the complete and utter level of strawberry jelly in this thread is overwhelming...

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you'd think you'd be used to it by now >< just wondering where you guys able to kill all the plumes before they damaged the rocks and if so does Garuda still destroy them?

Congrats BG!

a) 3 BLMs is not class stacking
b) BG isn't locking anyone out of content. They're going for a world-first-fast-as-possible kill. Why use anything other than what gets the job done?
c) Nobody is forcing you or your LS to use this strategy.
d) PUGs might latch to the "easy mode" strategy -- if you don't like it start your own PUG and buck the trend.
e) One dedicated, skilled group (undoubtedly among many) beating this fight in 32 tries over 7 hours does not make this an "easy" fight.

Speaking purely about PUGs: People will, as a group, gravitate towards the strategy that generally yields the most wins since these fights are all farm-fests anyway after the initial discovery phase. Once people have the weapons they want/need (or give up trying) is when you'll start seeing more willingness to try non-standard setups.

If your LS is not willing to take you along because you only have DRG -- time to get a new LS -- that is a clearly incorrect fit (note that neither the LS or player are "right" -- there is a difference in values.)

Personally, I'm looking forward to my first win... oh... perhaps by the time 1.23 comes out :p

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Originally Posted by Krausus

you'd think you'd be used to it by now >< just wondering where you guys able to kill all the plumes before they damaged the rocks and if so does Garuda still destroy them?

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no we did not kill all of the plumes in every attempt and yes Garuda destroys all Pillars when she uses Aerial Blast.

i will tell you the level of jealousy in this thread has made this one of my favorite threads to sit and watch.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i will tell you the level of jealousy in this thread has made this one of my favorite threads to sit and watch.

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Delsus needs to keep his mouth quiet and refrain from useless posts about "HE" wants to play.. stop making useless points, goddamn troll.. Im just starting to believe that he really just dislikes BG.. Ive followed BG since 2004 with 11.. elitism is A OK in my books, in fact I endorse being the best you can be, apparently Delsus likes just lacking with lolDRG onry comments..

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Originally Posted by SynysterBlitz

Delsus needs to keep his mouth quiet and refrain from useless posts about "HE" wants to play.. stop making useless points, goddamn troll.. Im just starting to believe that he really just dislikes BG.. Ive followed BG since 2004 with 11.. elitism is A OK in my books, in fact I endorse being the best you can be, apparently Delsus likes just lacking with lolDRG onry comments..

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seriously? is it really worth getting all worked up, you made me think of this with your post http://files.enjin.com.s3.amazonaws....nal/258840.jpg

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edit basing on your 8.59 kill, be 7hrs 40mins

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O-oh my god. That's exactly what I put for the win time. I might have won.

Thanks to this last page, my Ignore list has a new resident.

On-topic:

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

>> implying you know what our members enjoy
>> implying we don't let melee do fights

you have lost all credibility to anything you have ever said or will ever say in the future. you are butthurt and I truly pity you and on that point I'm done trying to permeate your limited mind with reason.

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This is something I can get behind. I'm fine with people not wanting to class-stack etc, but claiming that people who class stack aren't having fun or aren't on the jobs they want to be on is absurd. I've had plenty of cases where I tried to convince people to not class stack but they still all preferred and wanted to be on BLM et al.

Kudo's, I was betting on you guys beating it even sooner, but clearly the fight was as difficult as they described.

Also claiming that a group beating content after 7hrs of it's release means it's easy is laughable... the level of skill and having to break down different aspects of the fight is what allowed them to beat it so fast. Even so, would we really want a fight that takes arguably the best group of players more than that long to beat?

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Originally Posted by Delsus

All I'm saying is post a melee win (dont even need a stratagy if you want me to work one out), a few screencaps taken through the fight to show what stratagy it was will suffice, all I have seen as a stratagy (with the exception of 1.19 ifrit) is ranged attack, BLM/BRD only you always say content can be done with a melee setup but never post it, so people stick with the ranged setup, you have said everything I have mentioned can be melee'd but you have never posted anything so people do not do it they stick with what they know.

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Wouldn't a "melee win" count as class stacking? Multiple melee classes filling half the party vs multiple ranged classes filling half a party doesn't seem that much different to me. You're either winning by mostly ranged damage or winning by mostly melee damage. I don't really get your logic about class stacking.