I have a probably fleeting hope that even if something happens to Exarch-G'raha, Sleeping Source-G'raha will wake up. Not exactly the same person after everything the Exarch's been through, but still a G'raha.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClaireFaye
Predictions for 5.3?
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07-19-2020, 12:03 AMJeanneOrnitier
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07-19-2020, 12:25 AMEdwinLiI have a feeling this maybe what they go for.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeanneOrnitier
probably going for the concept of "no two beings from past and future can exist in the sametime" which would explain why Exarch could not crossover because his younger self exists in the Source.
I am only guessing but I have always assumed Exarch did not vanish because he is in the First and in the First he has no past nor future counterpart to take his place in the new timeline. Only in the Source does a counterpart exists to replace him in the new timeline being his younger self thus probably why he continued to exist in the First but cannot enter the Source. -
07-19-2020, 01:09 AMHamiltonCalder
I really wonder if Cylva is going to have anything to do here. It would be amazing to get her as like an optional story trust for the final dungeon that's available if you've completed the role quests. It feels like she's so intrinsically tied to what's going on, with Ardbert, but also with Unukalhai and by extension Elidibus.
Alternative possibility - the mystery trial is the Shadowkeeper. I have no idea how they'd work that logistically for people who haven't gotten to Cyella's revelation, but, dammit, it would be awesome. -
07-19-2020, 02:44 AMTurethir
They've been talking about memory transference quite a lot, so I'm in the camp that we're going to be saving the Exarch's memories and somehow implanting them into Source G'raha, with the Exarch's body dying. Honestly there's only going to be a certain amount of crystalisation that can happen to him before the life he does have becomes unbearable.
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07-19-2020, 03:12 AMCrushnightAs she is Cyella cannot fight anymore, she says she doesn't have the strength to lift her sword and that she will help her friends the only way she feels she can by telling their heroic deeds at the Crysterium to anyone willing to lend an ear.Quote:
Originally Posted by HamiltonCalder
I would love more dialogue with her, someone who truly knew Arbert and everyone, but her being a fighter is long since over.
As for G'raha, I expect his death, I expect his soul will rejoin Source G'raha giving him the memories he has had, I want Source G'raha to wake up, but I think he won't but when he does in the far future he will remember the grand adventure he got to share with us on the 1st. Bitter sweet is how I see this all going down.
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07-19-2020, 03:21 AMTurethirBittersweet is exactly the way I've been describing it in my head for a while. The fact they very deliberately showed us that he can't come through to the Source, along with all the "I wanted to go on an adventure with you" stuff, really seems to hint that in some way he will be able to, in the end, although maybe not in the way he wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crushnight
(Maybe it's just me but if another character was going to die I think they should have at least had the honour of being in the patch art, and all the focus seems to be on the Exarch. It seems to be very much "his patch"). -
07-19-2020, 11:07 AMAlleluia
I am also in the camp of hoping that Exarch!G'raha basically merges with Source!G'raha, though I hope he wakes up and goes on adventures with us in subsequent patches. It allows him to have that life he says he wants so much during the cliff chat. And it avoids the issue of only one version of G'raha getting the life he wants, while the other one just gets to either wake up and hear about it later or only watch it through a mirror. And it preserves the character of the Exarch, which I would like. (Plus, it'd truly be a waste not to have the VA continue with new content. G'raha's voice actor truly is a welcome addition to the cast. Not a story reason, but still. lol)
I don't think the above would necessarily happen b/c of time travel stating dopplegangers can't exist simultaneously. I think it'd be more a matter of the ripples of the vanished future catching up with him. He wasn't spared, the effect was just delayed (due to both time dilation and his bond with the tower, probably).
But, regardless, G'raha does seem to be getting worryingly weaker for some reason. I don't think we're gonna end this story with him still reigning nigh-immortal in the Crystarium. For one, while I'm not sure they'd ever actually address this issue in the MSQ, its not like he can realistically have adventures with us on the First for much longer. Even if we continue going back, that time differential btwn the Source and the First is going to start widening again eventually and that's going to become a major hindrance. Someday, we'll be gone for an hour and 2 months will have passed on the First, or vice versa. -
07-19-2020, 10:59 PMAlleo
I still hope that the exarch survives but I am also fine if he dies. He has lived a long life and was able to at least go on a small adventure with us. But I dont want them to give his memories to the young Graha. I dont think that it would be great for the young one to have to suffer seeing all of those years without ever really living through them. And its not like it would make him the exarch. For me it would be the best to let them be two "different" characters.
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07-20-2020, 08:31 AMAlleluia
On another note, that lady we're going to be fighting looks like a mix btwn Ronkan in the headress, tattoos, and staff, and veorbertite in the sleeves, neck, and shoes, to me.
Wasn't there a tomb of a female hero we recently visited in Rak'tikka or something? That was heavily implied to be a former WoL? I remember a mural. I know the background in the new dungeon seems to be a weird mix of Lakeland and Il Mheg, but still. -
07-20-2020, 04:32 PMfoussi
In the background of the new dungeon in the screenshots, you can see meteors falling. Makes me curious if elidibus starts to show the meteor rain all over norvrandt to create more warriors.
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07-21-2020, 01:38 AMMirronTulaxiaThere is, but she was a Vii so that makes it unlikely. Granted could always pull a “well they recorded it wrong”, but I’m not sure how that could all tie together honestly. I guess we will see soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleluia
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07-22-2020, 08:52 PMMrThinker
I now have a new favourite musical piece and i havent even been able to hear all of it.
That Final trial theme (presumably) somehow evokes a powerful surge of emotion within me. Also its a remix of The Tempest's theme and that's my favourite field theme in the game, so yeah. -
07-22-2020, 10:48 PMCrushnight
So given the trailer
Bozja
More lucavi specifically Adremmelech was shown off, have type-0 enemies and bosses so can probably see more getting pulled from that game in future, story looks like someone is getting possessed (most likely turning into Adremmelech).
Weapon saga
Get in the ava, adventurer. Sorry couldn't help myself, but that is exactly what we are doing so props to the person who called out it was ironworks that made it, also ironworks seem to be progressing technology faster than Garlemald does, i'll chalk it up to Cid.
Yorha
Bunker time, though looks to be mostly original bosses this time with only the androids helping one of them out as adds/aoes. Interested to see where this all goes.
MSQ
So Exarch G'raha is dying but still up in air on the how seeing how we see him get stabbed, exhausted, crystallise all in the same trailer. Ryne headpat of sadness. Looks like we are facing a barbarian as the final boss of the dungeon particularly someone who is a berserker(possibly have aggro issues), I wonder if the bosses are mutated WoL because they big.
So we have pure light people attacking the citizens mayhap an over exposure to Hydelyan forced by the starshower ala Leviathan's drowned from Satasha HM.
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07-22-2020, 11:01 PMMorningstar1337Would further add to the nesscity of Ivalice raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crushnight
I'm hoping to see Shamhazai there
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MSQ
So Exarch G'raha is dying but still up in air on the how seeing how we see him get stabbed, exhausted, crystallise all in the same trailer. Ryne headpat of sadness. Looks like we are facing a barbarian as the final boss of the dungeon particularly someone who is a berserker(possibly have aggro issues), I wonder if the bosses are mutated WoL because they big.
So we have pure light people attacking the citizens mayhap an over exposure to Hydelyan forced by the starshower ala Leviathan's drowned from Satasha HM.
So...Sin Eaters?.
Also can we make out any familiar faces or silhouettes among the glowy folk? -
07-22-2020, 11:14 PMJeanneOrnitier
MSQ part of the trailer
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07-22-2020, 11:17 PMfoussi
Oh boi the trailer, its intense
MSQ since I follow that more.
So it seems like there is an meteor shower all over lakeland or maybe all over norvrandt, not sure if its an illusion or real but I guess an illusion to force more of WoLs. The monsters go rogue and the scions are getting attacked by some muscular giant warrior dude. Also the exarch seems to die more and more. -
07-22-2020, 11:26 PMRyuDragnier
It sounds like from the trailer for MSQ...
That memory loss will happen, to the Scions, the Exarch himself, or to the people of the First. That the people of the First and the Scions will forget about the Exarch, or that the Scions may forget about the Exarch and the people of the First once they leave. -
07-22-2020, 11:49 PMEdwinLiGuess we can thank the adventures we had with Cid for this because this new Ironwork Gundam probably would not be possible without the knowledge of Alex, Omega, and the new recently obtained Ruby Weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crushnight
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07-23-2020, 12:59 AMHamiltonCalder
So in the trailer...
we see Elidibert open a bunch of the same summoning portals that G'raha used to call the "heroes from beyond the rift" that fought Hades with us. I bet he's calling a bunch of Hydaelyn's chosen from other shards (or even through time!?) to fight the so-called Warrior of Darkness, presenting himself as a champion of light. -
07-23-2020, 01:11 AMRyuDragnierHere comes the question then...Quote:
Originally Posted by HamiltonCalder
How are we going to defeat that many? Will it be a normal trial, it ends, he summons more, and then we end up using the power from our Ascian self to defeat them? Will it just end? Or will some unknown event happen? -
07-23-2020, 01:20 AMMorningstar1337
My bet is....
that the Trial will eventually culminate into a match between the WoL and "Ardbert" accompanied by the ghosts of "his" comrades, after fight thought other Light aspected specters -
07-23-2020, 01:24 AMErendis
Yorha in new trailer makes me even less happy about it's lore. Such huge structures outside and no one ever saw them. Really? ...
Weapons. Someone on reddit made this:
MSQ.
I wonder if those yellow people are like manikins in Opera Omnia...
There are some differences in different languages. So far I've seen people mention:
In French trailer Y'shtola says: " Do you think you're the same person you once were" instead of speaking about cacophony voices.
The French trailer ends with G'raha saying "We'll talk again, you and I, once I've fulfilled my duty as the Crystal Exarch"
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07-23-2020, 01:24 AMMoofiaBossValtext for 10 char limitQuote:
Originally Posted by RyuDragnier
Remember, the Source WoL (player) is 9 times rejoined; 9 times as much aether as WoLs from the other shards. @1:29, I can count 9 WoLs. If there are 9, the Source WoL may be evenly matched (if that is how we are calculating powerlevels). If there are up to 13 hostile WoLs, then Source WoL is outmatched 13 to 9, which aren't too bad odds. Plus, the WoL is being backed up by G'raha Tia. Then again, it looks like the Source WoL is also fighting against Elidibus at the same time, who is a whole 14/14. So... Source Wol 9/14 and G'raha Tia vs up to 13 1/14s + a 14/14 Elidibus. Oof. Looks like a big challenge. -
07-23-2020, 01:31 AMHamiltonCalderAt the beginning of the trailer...Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuDragnier
... we see the Derplander fighting some maybe-WoL-spirits in Il Mheg with some Fuath. That's presumably from the new dungeon, the Heroes' Gauntlet (oho, the Heroes' Gauntlet!) If the trash pulls in the dungeon are the summons, and the bosses (the lady from the Patch Site and the Beserker from the PLL) are extra-strong heroes of Light summoned from other shards, then the trial could be pretty much anything that fits that vein. Maybe he summons a WoL from the fallen void, like bringing the Shadowkeeper back into her power, or calling Unukalhai back from the Source as his estranged mentor? Maybe he summons the remaining unjoined fragments of our own soul for a WoL-on-WoL mirror match that leaves us fully Rejoined at the end? Maybe he called HILDIBRAND HELIODOR MANDERVILLE himself? There's lots of ways it could go if this proves right. -
07-23-2020, 02:10 AMAlleoAbout thatQuote:
Originally Posted by HamiltonCalder
Seems to be the case but I wonder what he said to them that they believe him..also he show his Ascian glyphe..shouldnt that maybe show them that he is not nice?
About the death flags
I will probably be wrong but would SE really show the exarch death in a trailer? Last time something big like that was shown, was with Ysthola and it turned out to be a red herring. So I go against many of the posts and say that he will survive. -
07-23-2020, 02:29 AMErendis
A translation of FR trailer. No idea how accurate it is https://twitter.com/Tacogoats/status...96949435183104
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07-23-2020, 04:01 AMEdwinLi
About the MSQ.
There is such irony in this finale being that...
to save the Source and all remaining Shards, we must kill the other Warriors of Light chosen from the other Shards and the Source who were chosen to protect these worlds. In their blindness by the Light they are unknowningly helping with the destruction of their homes but in their mind they are saving their homes from the Warrior of Darkness. I will not be surprised if this Finale resulted in our character being the Last Warrior of Light because we ended up killing all the other Warriors of Light in this Finale.
In the end it may end up being a Win Win Scenario for Elidibus because on one hand if his plan succeeds then he has removed the greatest threat to his plans being our WoL and on the other he has wiped out any possible aid from other Warriors of Light for our WoL during the finale of Season 1 storyline because we are forced to kill them all in this Finale for Shadowbringer.
Still we are now at the Semi-finale for Season 1 storyline with 6.0 or 6.3 being the Finale of this long Zodiark versus Hydaelyn storyline. Who knows where this will lead now we are literally at the doors of Season 1 ending that has gone on since 1.0. -
07-23-2020, 05:54 AMKylePearlsand
To begin, Sapphire Weapon:
That mech we get to pilot is totally bad ass. I'm looking forward to this more than just about anything else in the patch. It's just that cool, holy hell. I'm seriously getting some Trails of Cold Steel vibes from this encounter.
*Ahem* From what I can gather, it looks like Gaius wanted to be the one to confront his child. Likely because the lack of trust anyone has for him, we went instead to face the Sapphire Weapon.
Main story:
Looks like things are about to escalate big time. Seems like the catalyst of the events to come is centered around the crystal tower. Now I'm not one hundred percent sure if those shades of light we are fighting are other warriors of light. However, it does seem like the most likely explanation given Elidibus' plan at this point of time. The fae folk are getting dragged into this mess as well, possibly due to our relation to their king. Going a little further into the trailer, we are now in Eulmore, where we happen to be when the starfall happened. There are several circles that remind me of the trial against Hades, providing further evidence (at least to me) that these may be other warriors of light.
"There may come a day where you forget the faces and voices of those you met along the way." This could mean many things really. Based on the fact it shown Lyna and G'raha during this point of the trailer, my guess is that something will happen that will cause the latter's death. Everyone will forget him after this and the scions are sent back if his 'If I die, you should be returned home' theory is correct. Two scenes later in the trailer seem to suggest this will happen.
The warrior boss and the sorcereress boss are likely other versions of ourselves as far as I can tell. They seem to be more powerful than the shades of light. The dragoon that took down the airship may be another one of these unusually powerful shades of light, possibly another boss. I do have to wonder who Y'shtola is speaking to with the cacophony of voices line? My guess is Elidibus as he is assumingly the one causing the shades of light to appear on the first.
G'raha will fight beside is in a story trial, leading to him being injured by Elidibus. Based on the end of the trailer, this speeds up his crystalization process and perhaps leads to our memories being wiped in relation to the Exarch when he dies from it.
Nier:
Things are also starting to escalate when it comes to the raid series. Robots are attacking the dwarves, forcing them to bring out the tanks to defend themselves. It could be possible that this is 9s' doing as I think he's one of the YoRHa units seen standing against 2P and the dwarves. He's the one standing in the back ground just to 2P's right. Quite a few new bosses that weren't present. They look a lot cleaner than the robots we fought in the previous raid, so maybe weapons the Council of Humanity used on their home base.
My guess is to why these ruins haven't been found is probably the most likely. Perhaps these structions do not exist on the first but as a result of a dimensional merge? We do have to access them through a rather unusual door with Emil's face acting as a lock. I suppose if the mountain was closer to the wall of light, the Eulmorians didn't have a reason to fly over it. We did enter Kholusia from the beach to the eastern side. However, I'm not going to pretend I know what goes through the mind of Yoko Taro.
Bozja:
A lot of escalation this patch. We are going straight to war with the Garleans with the Bozjan resistance. The Hrothgar Paladin shot is interesting and it seems like the battlefield is acting as another Eureka. Perhaps with objectives being important to completing the relic rather than leveling up. Perhaps it is even a new dungeon. -
07-23-2020, 10:55 AMEdwinLiI am only assuming that they are going the GW2 World Map Meta route for this one where players have different path and fate events to help contribute towards pushing into the Main Garlean Fortress with it ending in a Meta Finale boss at the heart of the fortress.Quote:
Originally Posted by KylePearlsand
From the stuff mentioned it seems that there maybe no alternate level for the Bozjan Resistance Map this time thus instead progress maybe focused on the 5.X Resistance weapons. Just jump into the map with the level 71+ Job you want and start working towards progressing the world Map Meta event. -
07-23-2020, 11:26 AMMorningstar1337I though the Resistance Rank is the equivalent to the Elemental Levels of EurekaQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
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07-23-2020, 12:15 PMEdwinLiThe live letter said that Resistance Storyline progress is not tied to the Leveling this time and players can just focus on entering the Resistance Map only for the Story quests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morningstar1337
We can't determine if Resistance Ranks are the same as Elemental levels since currently they did not mention if stats are determined by the Resistance Ranks or our character level 80 default stats. It looks more like a system there to unlock Aether locations to teleport currently for players who want to lvl alts or obtain mats for Resistance Weapons. -
07-23-2020, 02:03 PMVyrerus
Heh that Dragoon that takes out the airship is wearing the Eureka Elemental maiming helmet/set.
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07-23-2020, 02:15 PMVyrerus
After watching and pausing the trailer at spots of curiosity several times, to me the light phantoms that come down by Elidibert all have radically different gear, though a lot of it is recognizable but seems to be coordinated glamour... I kind of wonder and sort of want to say that the secret trial will be a mirror fight for everyone who enters. We know they have the ability to scan our characters and create clones on the battlefield as early as Achamoth in Lost City of Amdapor Hard Mode, so that would be phase 1. Then Phase 2 would be the real boss, maybe Elidibert siphons up their dying souls, where the souls are shining brightest similar to what Moenbryda did to ensure Nabriales's death, only this time it's to juice up Elidibert.
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07-23-2020, 02:16 PMEnkidohQuote:
Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal
Pride comes before the fall after all...It's eight times rejoined, there's been seven calamities plus Ardbert rejoining his soul at the end of Amaurot so that makes 8 (it's 9 if you include the Source too, but that's not counted as Rejoinings are only the Shards, the Source is what was left of the original world after the Sundering and so is the 'base'. So we're 'eight' times rejoined.
As for facing down an Unsundered Ascian, well, we've already done that twice already and both have fallen - although Lahabrea was only killed by Thordan consuming his soul as aether, and we only killed Emet by dumping all that corrupted Light aether we had absorbed as an Axe of Light to punch a hole in him (with Ardbert's help). But they both still ended up deader than dead despite their 'Unsundered' status.
So being unsundered does not directly correllate to strength and resilience, if anything it makes them more prone to arrogance and thus makes their downfall all the more likely.
And the trailer only shows just howprideful Elidibus is becoming - no longer the 'emmisary', he's falling into smug arrogant megalomania like all the other Ascians, even trying again the same trick he already tried once before that failed miserably (trying to manipulate other worlds' WoLs into fighting us). Eli, don't you know those who fail to learn from their past mistakes are doomed to forever repeat them?
Incidentally I don't believe Exarch! G'raha actually dies when speared by Elidibert's dark magic - past trailers after all supposedly showing main story characters dying, turn out to be completely fine, or just a minor injury (remember Y'shtola apparently shown to be gutted like a fish by Zenos in the trailer for Stormblood, yet, despite being sidelined for much of SB's story, ended up getting better?). Yet characters who really do die, their death scene isn't shown in a trailer. Context is everything.
So yeah, I expect our crystallizing Sharalyan friend to be fine, and not end up pulling an Aeris to an Ascian wearing an Ardbert-suit. -
07-23-2020, 03:01 PMVyrerus
But it's not the same as last time. He's joining them directly this time.
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07-23-2020, 04:23 PMRyuDragnierI have a feeling thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
what he did was basically "hack into" the Crystal Tower using the Exarch as the connection tool with that stab. The Exarch may either end up dead by our hands in order to end the WoL summonings and save our friends, or we're going to permanently sever the Exarch's connection to the Crystal Tower without killing him, which would halt all current summonings and prevent more from occurring, with only us left as being able to cross to the First due to our power. -
07-23-2020, 04:39 PMRicaRuin
Alright, Trailer time...
MSQ
Things are getting interesting. Massive death flags for the Exarch which I'm 50/50 about, I can see both his death and survival happening. Is that Hythlodaeus we go see in Amaurot? I think that the part that has someone stating they want to speak to us alone is not Elidibus. At least in german, I personally think the voice sounds different from Elidibus' voice later in the trailer.
Also, please don't kill the last Ascian yet.
At least no Zenos in Trailer!
NieR Raid
I don't know much about NieR, but it looks cool, I guess? Will be interesting to see why the Yorha didn't attack the dwarves before considering they did not just arrive.
Sorrows of Werlyt
Haha, I called the thing being built by the Ironworks! Looks cool, I'm happy to see they used the VII concept for Sapphire. Just said it gets killed off unceremoniously again.
So, the blue haired Au Ra piloting it (Rex) looks pretty mad in the Echo-esque vision. Hope that doesn't make him do something reckless.
Bozja
Hey, cool, Adrammelech. Also that one Hrothgar has glowy blue eyes, is he possessed?
My thoughts on Mystery Trial...
The Trailer makes it look like it's going to be Elidibus and/or his Warriors of Light, but they said it's not something we would expect and why keep it that secret if you put obvious things in the Trailer?
Since we see what I assume is Hythlodaeus, I think he is related to the Mystery Trial. The picture on the website shows but the faded out white dots on black ground, we have a similar screenshot there, with the Convocation members. Maybe something with Flashbacks? And the text says WoD is being tested like never before. Elidibus is past the point of testing, he just wants us gone. But maybe Hyth wants to, and if he is the one in the trailer to day he wants to speak with us alone... -
07-23-2020, 06:17 PMAlleluia
Regarding Exarch:
I have a feeling that that beautiful opening shot of the Crystal Tower is actually a far away shot of the moment we beat Elidibus and G'raha is taking control of the tower back and stopping the meteors... and crystallizing to death in the process.
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Originally Posted by RicaRuin
I'm with you on the mystery trial possibly being Amaurot/Ancients-related, considering the filter of the image for it looks a lot like the static-filled film grain we get when seeing the holovids of the Amaurotines turn on and off in Anamnesis Anyder.
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07-23-2020, 07:51 PMKageTokage
I have a hard time imagining what kind of scheming Elidibus would've had to have been doing to get a veritable army's worth of WoLs from other worlds to turn on us so readily.
The fact that most of them are aglow with that strange aura of light makes me wonder if he's somehow manipulating them in a more direct manner using his Starshower foolery or some such. -
07-23-2020, 08:54 PMEnkidohOr, it's just more smoke and mirrors just like his fake starshower. At least one of the 'WoLs' apparently shown in the trailer is just a glowing sillhouette, which someone else earlier mentioned looked much like the Manikins from the Dissidia games (which were just crystal drones of the main protagonists/antagonists with no actual intelligence or free-will - they were just crystal puppets basically).Quote:
Originally Posted by KageTokage
So I wonder if Elidibus has resorted to making literal fake WoLs to set against us, being incapable of getting the actual WoLs from the four remaining Shards not yet Rejoined like G'raha did. It would still suit his ends either way, to sow more chaos and strife in the First, make it look like the 'Light' fighting back in Norvrandt, that the player's character is powerless to stop it. Much chaos and destruction occurs on the First, Light aether starts surging back to the Source, setting the Eighth Calamity and the Ascians' plans, back on track. Or so he would hope.
We'll find out in a few weeks either way.