If you are going to do a Live Letter

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Are you comparing FF14 live letters to.... The Oscars?

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No, they are taking an example of live translation on a non-scripted event, to show that a direct translation exist and is possible, even for a simple Live Letter. It's really not to compare both events. Having a translator in live events is a common practice, usually.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

We do. We just don't get the full translation of everything said live. We get all the important information live the day of the live letter in the form of slides.

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He can comment on things that isn't on slides, like confirm some class will be nerfed, they're working on some feature on the next patch and so on. And those things are important too and isn't translated to english. Even jokes can carry some information.

It appears like you never done a presentation yourself.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

That's what makes all this entitled whinging so funny... people are complaining about not having translations for useless (if somewhat funny) banter. Everything said by Yoshida, Morbol, Saito-san or Yoko Taro that was important was on the slides. Everything else was just essentially small talk and jokes.

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You sound like want the company give to a big part of his audience ways to actually understand what is being said during entire time is being "entitled" and "whinny"? Wow... Just wow...

If you have the slide and just want the info included there, why bother waching the LL? Just download and read the slides. Only you think that just the slides will give enough info.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

This is a 17 page monstrosity about absolutely nothing. Apparently all the people not doing Savage (or who have cleared it) are bored and can't find anything better to do.

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Did you cleared your savage this week? Did you capped your tomestones? You look bored and like someone that can't find anything better to do.

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Originally Posted by Wanzer

No, they are taking an example of live translation on a non-scripted event, to show that a direct translation exist and is possible, even for a simple Live Letter. It's really not to compare both events. Having a translator in live events is a common practice, usually.

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^This. Exactly this.

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Almost no other developer does this amount of communication about what they're working on

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Uhhhh, what?

Daybreak posts daily on their forums, interacts with players in game (their lead dev in charge of fixing things is on the test server talking with players most every day) has a test realm that tests their patches a month or two in advance and beta's every expansion months ahead of time.

Blizzard does the same.

AeNet has put out a few roadmaps and outside a horrifically disappointing stream they did last month (guess the firing of 100+ people kinda hurt) regularly release video updates about future patch decisions.

Squeenix is one of the worst at providing information.

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Are you comparing FF14 live letters to.... The Oscars?

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Yeah, the Oscar's is the only thing that restreams translatuons on a small delay, nobody else has ever done that along with vod support for it on a twitch page or uploading it to official YouTube channels in segments as its going.

So 21 pages now show enough ppl care imo :p

And yes, just look how much we hear from our com. reps... our new one has like 30 posts a year lol. Though im make me lol pretty hard when our most active mod posted on Oftopics xD

I agree, they sent out a notification across the NA realms to join the live letter. I joined and did not understand anything except the few slides with English translations underneath some of the slides. I was expecting subtitles. Not cool.

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Originally Posted by miraidensetsu

Sorry, not buying that.

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It doesn't matter if you buy it or not, it's just a fact. Bullet points are not a word by word script.

-Bard notes on this slide (note be sure to mention the toots)
-Concert info on this slide

Absolutely does not equal

YoshiP:"Insert exact words with no deviation here."

And when the heck will people get it through their thick skulls the bit with Taro, Saito and Okabe were not scripted? It was like The View or late night TV. You dont host an interview with an exact script across each person, and even then there's sometimes improv.

A large number of the Japanese players does not communicate in English so doing a live event in English at a major Japanese event with limited time will end up alienating the home players. Most LL while they follow a general flow for presentation, most comments from Yoshida/guests are not done strictly via script; any live translator will have to double check what they have jot down with the speakers to make sure they dun release the wrong information.

Maybe they should have 3 live letters going on at same time. One for the EU another for NA and last for JP. Then ones would be able to understand what there saying in them.

As a translator in training, this is nitpicking but is bugging me quite a bit: Please repeate and memorize -- Your so-called live translation for oral communication is called interpreting. If you transfer a written text from language A to B it's called a translation. Speech to text is apparently transcription, or summarized in source language as text and translated in other languages.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Nope. Trust me, I watch the LLs and I understand Japanese. He doesn't really go any deeper into detail. In fact, in some cases he actually ends up saying less about it than the slides do (he often has to be reminded of the info on the slides).

Again, all the important, pertinent info is on the slides.

And again, we DO get a more or less full translation of the LLs a little while later. Generally not more than a week. Which is perfectly fine, since none of the extra stuff is important.

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And I have seen and read lifeletters where there was much more information about a system not on the slides. I do remember for example when he was talking once about the new housing changes and how it would affect players.

Then there was the issue with the Viera and Hrothgar hairstyles which were also not on slides (but I think that was on some event?). The reddit translation said that we wont get the other hairstyles but new ones for these two races and a poster here said that this is not true and Yoshida stated that we would get them for at least the Viera. Had we an official translation then these different fan translations would not be a thing.

You managed to completely miss the point. You took an extended conversation I was having with someone else and twisted it.

The point is, that we get all the important information we need during the LL in English on the slides. Is there more said? Obviously. Could that more that is said be interesting? Sure. It is necessary to know what they are saying Live?

No.

Why? Because while the extra conversation they do may be interesting, they don't say anything important that we need to know at that time. And we DO get official translations, we just get them later. Which is fine, since it's just banter anyway.

As I said, this thread is nothing but bored people making a stink about absolutely nothing.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

So 21 pages now show enough ppl care imo :p

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Not at all. It's the same few people posting a ton and then everyone else explaining why live translations are not reasonable and not necessary over and over again.

Thread length on any forum about any topic is NEVER relevant or correlative to number of people who care.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Why? Because while the extra conversation they do may be interesting, they don't say anything important that we need to know at that time. And we DO get official translations, we just get them later. Which is fine, since it's just banter anyway.

As I said, this thread is nothing but bored people making a stink about absolutely nothing.



Not at all. It's the same few people posting a ton and then everyone else explaining why live translations are not reasonable and not necessary over and over again.

Thread length on any forum about any topic is NEVER relevant or correlative to number of people who care.

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I wish I could inject this right into the OP.

People be apologizing for SE like their job is on the line.
Like, there is no way this small indi dev company could organize something so their non JP people that they invite to their LLs are not left out. No. Way.

Maybe they should hire that reddit guy, seems to be some sort of magician.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I wish I could inject this right into the OP.

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Nothing said that I haven't been following this thread. I have just chosen not to reply to the assumptions about what I was trying to get at, the ignorant, the ones picking fights, the snobs and conspiracy theorists - until I took the bait on your post.

And, by the way, I don't appreciate being called a "baby" for my opinions. I wasn't disrespectful to you here, and called out one person who was more rude than you have been. Toxic.

I don't mind the actual stream not being translated but I would like a simple text summary of the live letter posted somewhere in multiple languages so we can all at least get an idea of what was discussed.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I don't mind the actual stream not being translated but I would like a simple text summary of the live letter posted somewhere in multiple languages so we can all at least get an idea of what was discussed.

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It is kind of weird that they still haven't posted anything yet, 5 days after the letter. >x>()
Maybe the second half is taking longer to translate? (Seeing as the first half was 99% on the slides.)

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

It is kind of weird that they still haven't posted anything yet, 5 days after the letter. >x>()
Maybe the second half is taking longer to translate? (Seeing as the first half was 99% on the slides.)

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You have been here since 2013 and 5 days is bothering you? Did you buy this account or just forget the past several years?

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Then there was the issue with the Viera and Hrothgar hairstyles which were also not on slides (but I think that was on some event?). The reddit translation said that we wont get the other hairstyles but new ones for these two races and a poster here said that this is not true and Yoshida stated that we would get them for at least the Viera. Had we an official translation then these different fan translations would not be a thing.

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Dang, I read that original translation and thought I wouldn't be getting my bought hairstyles on Viera, so I switched back to Miqo'te. I'd still be Viera if I knew that they were going to release those hairstyles eventually for them XD

Maybe I'll switch back when they release those hairstyles for Viera. R. I. P $14 EU (Which is $24 NZD T^T)

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Originally Posted by Gula

You have been here since 2013 and 5 days is bothering you? Did you buy this account or just forget the past several years?

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It doesn't bother me, I watch the Letter live and read the Reddit discord's translations.
I just thought it was strange that they haven't released any translations of it yet, given that most of the information was already on slides.
Don't know what me being here since 2013 has to do with anything but alright, keep flexin'... >3>

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The point is, that we get all the important information we need during the LL in English on the slides.

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This is rarely if ever the case.

We get bullet points that regularly have almost no information other than "thing x is named x, or 'y thing is a thing' " and we have to parse through the explanation about exactly what that means.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

Like, there is no way this small indi dev company could organize something so their non JP people that they invite to their LLs are not left out. No. Way.

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It's amazing that people complaining about not having live interpreting keep coming back to this tired, ridiculously false statement. Literally no one in this thread has said anything like this. No one has defended SE like this in the slightest.

It's not about money. The reason they don't have a live interpreter on every LL has nothing to do with lack of money. They most certainly have the budget for it (or more importantly, they have salaried staff that COULD do it). But as has been explained several times over in this thread, it's not logistically reasonable.

At the very least, it would double the length of the LL, which simply isn't acceptable. Furthermore, live interpreters are pulled from the localization staff, which have workloads of their own. Any time spent interpreting for a LL is time taken away from them being able to attend to their workload (which is extremely heavy, btw). They could hire someone specifically for interpreting LLs, but that would be a huge waste of resources that could be spent elsewhere.

They eventually provide translations of the LLs, so it's not like they completely ignore English speakers. And the reason they don't provide them live is because the LLs are un-scripted (again, this has been explained). They usually release the translations within a week or so of the LL, but sometimes it's longer. But how long it is is moot, since nothing in the official translations contains anything of actual import. All pertinent, important information is displayed on the slides (contrary to what the above poster claims).

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

It's amazing that people complaining about not having live interpreting keep coming back to this tired, ridiculously false statement. Literally no one in this thread has said anything like this. No one has defended SE like this in the slightest.

It's not about money. The reason they don't have a live interpreter on every LL has nothing to do with lack of money. They most certainly have the budget for it (or more importantly, they have salaried staff that COULD do it). But as has been explained several times over in this thread, it's not logistically reasonable.

At the very least, it would double the length of the LL, which simply isn't acceptable. Furthermore, live interpreters are pulled from the localization staff, which have workloads of their own. Any time spent interpreting for a LL is time taken away from them being able to attend to their workload (which is extremely heavy, btw). They could hire someone specifically for interpreting LLs, but that would be a huge waste of resources that could be spent elsewhere.

They eventually provide translations of the LLs, so it's not like they completely ignore English speakers. And the reason they don't provide them live is because the LLs are un-scripted (again, this has been explained). They usually release the translations within a week or so of the LL, but sometimes it's longer. But how long it is is moot, since nothing in the official translations contains anything of actual import. All pertinent, important information is displayed on the slides (contrary to what the above poster claims).

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And you're proving my point by providing more excuses for SE? Tbh, I don't really care why they aren't doing it or how it is/isn't possible, people provide feedback to SE in this forum, how or if they make it happen is up to them.

Translations for every LL, please.

wow entitled much? just demanding it isn't going to get you anywhere lol

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

Tbh, I don't really care why they aren't doing it or how it is/isn't possible

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Then, frankly and honestly, get out of the discussion forums. If you're not willing to listen to the valid explanations for why live interpretation is not done and are simply going to plug your ears and keep demanding, then you have no business in a discussion forum. Send your complaint directly to SE.

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Translations for every LL, please.

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We already get them. Just have to wait a week or two generally.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Then, frankly and honestly, get out of the discussion forums. If you're not willing to listen to the valid explanations for why live interpretation is not done and are simply going to plug your ears and keep demanding, then you have no business in a discussion forum. Send your complaint directly to SE.

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Imagine getting this defensive over wanting them to allocate resources to an event that happens ~6-8 times a year for the benefit of their international audience.

You haven't given any valid explanations because you don't work for SE. The only thing you've given is fabricated excuses for an international business, for free.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

Imagine getting this defensive over wanting them to allocate resources to an event that happens ~6-8 times a year for the benefit of their international audience.

You haven't given any valid explanations because you don't work for SE. The only thing you've given is fabricated excuses for an international business, for free.

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Imagine being so upset about not getting your way right when you want it and not being able to have the patience to wait a week or two. Childish.

Holy cow is this thread still getting posted in?

The live letter has since been translated into english and all the info is out there and has been for the past week.

Find something more important to complain about, sheesh!

Right now, we're beating a dead horse in this thread.

So if somebody necros this thread in 5 years, will we be beating an undead horse?

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

Then provide translation. This live letter was an atrocity for a lot of people, and while they provided a little bit of english on the screen, we missed a lot.

This was really just... silly and disappointing.

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Nothing is stopping you from learning Japanese. I mean Rosetta stone is cheap as rice these days.

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Originally Posted by IntrovertAnt

The live letter has since been translated into english

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Erm... no it hasn't?

9 days later and it's still not there.

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Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld

Right now, we're beating a dead horse in this thread.

So if somebody necros this thread in 5 years, will we be beating an undead horse?

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The horse is never dead. He wants to be but people won't let him. He's getting tortured at this point lol.
Press F for horse respects.

FYI the recap of the live letter has now been officially translated/posted:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/405866

SO it was only around two weeks, nice >_>

Even in the free game blade and soul their english team posts up a "Live letter" video with notes and updates of upcoming content. It'd be nice if our community teams could do the same for us. Translation and fact checking can take some time so a few days is fine but two weeks for official notes (bullet points) is definitely a very long time.

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Originally Posted by enthauptet

Even in the free game blade and soul their english team posts up a "Live letter" video with notes and updates of upcoming content. It'd be nice if our community teams could do the same for us. Translation and fact checking can take some time so a few days is fine but two weeks for official notes (bullet points) is definitely a very long time.

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