Artifact Armors!

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Originally Posted by Royal

Can a person only have one job? If I level my CON/THM to 50 can i do either BLM or WHM whenever I want?

If you can have only one job, have they talked about respecs?

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You can definitely have more than one job, but probably can't be BLM on your CON and WHM on your THM even though there's no point why not. I'm pretty sure they haven't thought it through this much though, judging by there decisions so far.

Ok that makes me feel a little better. There is still the restriction in the sense CLASS -> JOB but if I level multiple classes I can have multiple jobs. That makes me feel better.

Ok I just did some research on FFXI about artifact armors. They were designed to give people the classic looks of the jobs. So, my question is when I get my artifact armor for my job did u ever need to upgrade in FFXI? Were they always the best? Did it kill gear progression? HOw did artifact armors fit into the grand scheme of things in terms of gear progression?

Now i have a full reason to cap my lancer !!!!

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Originally Posted by Royal

Ok I just did some research on FFXI about artifact armors. They were designed to give people the classic looks of the jobs. So, my question is when I get my artifact armor for my job did u ever need to upgrade in FFXI? Were they always the best? Did it kill gear progression? HOw did artifact armors fit into the grand scheme of things in terms of gear progression?

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They were all level 50-60 armors.

Most people didn't equip entire sets, just the best pieces.

They were replaced later by AF2 armor from dynamis, which was for the most part palette swapped versions of the other gear.

Just a note that I spotted on the hi-res pic guys:

The dude in the evil armor seens to be wielding a scythe and not a lance :P

I tried to outline what I think I see, but I may as well be wrong:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...er/wveibs2.jpg

(may as well be part of the lance design above the blade, or some part of his armor/raised leg, but based by the early designs it could be.

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Originally Posted by Royal

Ok I just did some research on FFXI about artifact armors. They were designed to give people the classic looks of the jobs. So, my question is when I get my artifact armor for my job did u ever need to upgrade in FFXI? Were they always the best? Did it kill gear progression? HOw did artifact armors fit into the grand scheme of things in terms of gear progression?

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they were often the most job centered gear available, and the first time around the best for their level. they eventually added upgrades to them, and a different set, that had different bonuses. Overall they didnt destroy gear progression on most classes, because they had gear swapping in combat, and they were specialized into boosting job abilities/stats/roles. Since some job abilities/traits/roles/stats werent necessarily highly focused on one specialty, some of them were considered to be vanity peices.

For example, while you may like a crown that gives you 5 mind (mdef and boost to spiritual dmg skill) and a boost to ACC when you use a specific monk job skill, most people overall rather have a haste headpeice, or one that reduces your dmg recieved.

Of course ffxi was a very different game, and gear progression was extremely horizontal as the game progressed, so it only tells you so much about this game.

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Originally Posted by Ixador

Just a note that I spotted on the hi-res pic guys:

The dude in the evil armor seens to be wielding a scythe and not a lance :P

I tried to outline what I think I see, but I may as well be wrong:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...er/wveibs2.jpg

(may as well be some part of his armor/raised leg, but based by the early designs it could be.

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I see what you're talking about, but since this game doesn't have scythes, that's a far-fetched idea.

More likely you merely can't see the point of the lance because it's behind the WHM's head.

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Originally Posted by Ixador

Just a note that I spotted on the hi-res pic guys:

The dude in the evil armor seens to be wielding a scythe and not a lance :P

I tried to outline what I think I see, but I may as well be wrong:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...er/wveibs2.jpg

(may as well be some part of his armor/raised leg, but based by the early designs it could be.

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I think that dude is carrying a lance. The last spike thing on what looks like his back is a spear-head. Just my interpretation.

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Originally Posted by Ixador

Just a note that I spotted on the hi-res pic guys:

The dude in the evil armor seens to be wielding a scythe and not a lance :P

I tried to outline what I think I see, but I may as well be wrong:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...er/wveibs2.jpg

(may as well be part of the lance design above the blade, or some part of his armor/raised leg, but based by the early designs it could be.

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I think you may be right. There's no way a Dragoon would be wearing such evil armor in the first place...

Edit: Someone made an observation about the Archer Job too. Check out the bow. there appears to be strings on it that do not serve any functional purpose...but if you turn that bow upside down, it looks like it could become a lute. Bard Ranger?!

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

I think you may be right. There's no way a Dragoon would be wearing such evil armor in the first place...

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Why not? Kain always seemed like a chaos fellow, even if he wasn't exactly evil.

To whatever said brd can't be arc:-(for fun XP)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...YZ4Zy_Q#t=141s

About whm = thm just because thm have whm offence spell...
whm = healer not attacker.
And who have whm healer skill?

ARCBRD!!!!!!!

XARCABARD ?

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Originally Posted by Ixador

Just a note that I spotted on the hi-res pic guys:

The dude in the evil armor seens to be wielding a scythe and not a lance :P

I tried to outline what I think I see, but I may as well be wrong:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...er/wveibs2.jpg

(may as well be part of the lance design above the blade, or some part of his armor/raised leg, but based by the early designs it could be.

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I dont know it doesnt make much sense to me for him to be in that pose with his hand so far down the weapon's shaft if that is a scythe.

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Originally Posted by Alaltus

I dont know it doesnt make much sense to me for him to be in that pose with his hand so far down the weapon's shaft if that is a scythe.

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We won't know for certain until they release the goddamn mag. When is this thing due out?! Next week, right? If so, someone needs to get on that, stat.

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Originally Posted by Alaltus

I dont know it doesnt make much sense to me for him to be in that pose with his hand so far down the weapon's shaft if that is a scythe.

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don't be so sure, a scythe is a sweeping weapon, take into account dramatic promo art posing, and it's quite logical to believe he's 'reaping'.

maybe he just has a really pointy shoe/who cares because it's obviously just an embellished lance.

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

ARCBRD!!!!!!!

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Admiral ARCBRD?

'Lo! 'tis a cleverly conceived ruse!'

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

don't be so sure, a scythe is a sweeping weapon, take into account dramatic promo art posing, and it's quite logical to believe he's 'reaping'.

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Actually, look at the color of the pole and the color of the supposed scythe blade. They are different. And if you look past where his lower arm is, you'll notice that he has a knee up. That blade may be part of the shin armor. Or it might not. Dunno.

Yoshi-P Letter #4

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

We won't know for certain until they release the goddamn mag. When is this thing due out?! Next week, right? If so, someone needs to get on that, stat.

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27/9
( don't you just love words limit? why do I need to post more than 10 words when I only need to post 4?.... oh wait that another thing we need to thanks spammer for...)

Also if you zoom in on that area theres a bit next to the white mage's head that could be the continuation of the spear.

I could be very possible that they have implemended an upwards blade into his foot armor design. What kind of fabulous pose is that supposed to be though? :P

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Originally Posted by Ixador

I could be very possible that they have implemended an upwards blade into his foot armor design. What kind of fabulous pose is that supposed to be though? :P

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Maybe... Jump?

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Originally Posted by Ixador

I could be very possible that they have implemended an upwards blade into his foot armor design. What kind of fabulous pose is that supposed to be though? :P

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He's actually casting 'Jump', the signature Dragon Knight ability. Looks like they wont be giving us a spammable jump afterall.

I actually figure the lance is more of a Guisarme.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Just that "Thaumaturge" is actually called "Master of Curses" in the Japanese version.
Doesn't sound like a WHM to me.

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The English version of the class is named very poorly in that case.

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

The English version of the class is named very poorly in that case.

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Quickly, gather your pitchforks and torches! We must march on the Localization Team's Headquarters!

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Originally Posted by Scherwiz

The English version of the class is named very poorly in that case.

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Indeed, especially since most people I talk to don't know how to properly pronounce it.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Quickly, gather your pitchforks and torches! We must march on the Localization Team's Headquarters!

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Quickly, look up what the word actually means!

Edit: Many meanings, but most often meaning saint like, or miracle worker, and no i'm not saying THM = WHM because current Conjurer spells say otherwise.

How big the difference between the 2 namings may be, I believe it's just that the japanese people mostly don't have a clue about western lore, so they try to simplify it:

Paladin <-> Knight (geez)
Dragoon <-> Dragon Knight

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Originally Posted by ViolentDjango

Are all these "I know everything! These facts make me right!" rants really necessary...?

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Posting research and game lore is a rant? Noted.
If that is a rant I wish more people would do it.

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Originally Posted by Ixador

Just a note that I spotted on the hi-res pic guys:

The dude in the evil armor seens to be wielding a scythe and not a lance :P

I tried to outline what I think I see, but I may as well be wrong:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...er/wveibs2.jpg

(may as well be part of the lance design above the blade, or some part of his armor/raised leg, but based by the early designs it could be.

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I think you may be right, Used my photo viewer to blow up the picture and all the angle connect in a way that makes a very clearly defined scythe.

Cleared up the image and "connected the dots" for the less imaginative viewers out there, sorry but it looks like Dark Knight won't be coming just yet.

LINK
"dragoon breakdown"

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How big the difference between the 2 namings may be, I believe it's just that the japanese people mostly don't have a clue about western lore, so they try to simplify it:

Paladin <-> Knight (geez)
Dragoon <-> Dragon Knight

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Sure. Because the English names came first. You know, just like FF I was actually developed in the US by Abraham Lincoln.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Sure. Because the English names came first. You know, just like FF I was actually developed in the US by Abraham Lincoln.

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lulz. My point is still valid. I didn't say they traslated the names from english to japanese. I said they switched them firsthand so the japanese would understand. Except you believe Knights have healing and divine powers (ffI)

@OMEGA_HACK: It may as well (and most propably) be it, I never rejected the chance of it being a halberd/lance-

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

I think you may be right. There's no way a Dragoon would be wearing such evil armor in the first place...

Edit: Someone made an observation about the Archer Job too. Check out the bow. there appears to be strings on it that do not serve any functional purpose...but if you turn that bow upside down, it looks like it could become a lute. Bard Ranger?!

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I think your right about the bow. But instead of turning it upside down it looks like the top part can fold down so it can be played then folded back out to shoot.

Another researched 'rant'

Google granted the following info.

Conjure translations:
Japanese: 幻術士 = Illusionist
German: Druide = Druid
French: Élémentaliste = Elementalist


Thaumaturge translations:
Japanese: 呪術士 = Brujo (roughly warlock) witch doctor and shaman also came up.
German: Thaumaturg = Thaumaturge
French: Occultiste = Occultist

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/thaumaturge
Thaumaturge = (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) Rare a performer of miracles; magician


Conjure Broken down: 幻術 = Literally meaning "Illusionary Techniques"
THM Broken down: 呪術 = magic, sorcery, incantation

士 - MEANING: samurai, man, gentleman, scholar

The 'dark armor' is a definitely a Dragoon. The knee in the air makes it 100% confirmed in my mind. (DRK doesn't pose like that)

Also, from an Aug Dev interview, the official confirmed job list = Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragoon, Bard.

That leaves just the Roegadyn (MRD) undefined. It could be Warrior or Berzerker, but the fur trim and horns really remind me of the Beastmaster designs in FFV and FFXI.

If it is BST, then we have our first pet job~

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THM Broken down: 祝術 = (hiragana しゅうじゅつ, romaji shūjutsu) white magic

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Only that it's 呪術士 (jujutsu-shi) and not　祝術士　(shujutsu-shi).
So there is not even the smallest trace of white magic in the Japanese concept of "Thaumaturge". Nil. Zero. Nothing.


TL/DR:LTR(JP).