Final coil in duty finder

7-manning FCOB is already proven to be possible (however it is very impressive), so sells are no problem. But ony very few are able to 7-man it, so sell groups are the minority. Sell groups who can only sell by getting account data and playing the eight man shouldn't be considered.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

I highly, HIGHLY doubt such guides are made with randomly-formed DF groups in mind. That's not really a fair critique.

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Yes, but what's the first thing everyone says when you join a DF RAID or a DF Extreme? "Who's New? Did you watch a video?", and the first thing that comes up are these videos from when the dungeon was released with "perfect" parties, instead of any better strategies that work with DF / new people who haven't run it 100 times already.

If there is more power-creep from the Heavensward, eventually everyone will be able to pass it just from gear being more powerful and less damage getting taken. So it doesn't require a nerf so much as it needs a roulette with a specific party configuration bias that can actually beat it. No sense making people who passed it feel like they did that grind for nothing.

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Yes, but what's the first thing everyone says when you join a DF RAID or a DF Extreme? "Who's New? Did you watch a video?", and the first thing that comes up are these videos from when the dungeon was released with "perfect" parties, instead of any better strategies that work with DF / new people who haven't run it 100 times already.

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So what do you want the hardcore raiders to do before these raids are made DFable, exactly? Say adios to their FCs and fail over and over with a bunch of random people in the PF instead? :rolleyes:

Moreover that, a lot of these video groups are NOT with perfect parties, and a number of them readily admit that. They just mesh well and get over it because -- surprise -- they're a dedicated raid group and have had practice with the fight.

In my group we can fool around with multiple deaths and still clear a minute before enrage. We actually have to stop attacking alltogether and wait a good while for the third drake to drop down before we push to divebomb phase.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

If there is more power-creep from the Heavensward, eventually everyone will be able to pass it just from gear being more powerful and less damage getting taken. So it doesn't require a nerf so much as it needs a roulette with a specific party configuration bias that can actually beat it. No sense making people who passed it feel like they did that grind for nothing.

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If they level sync all pre-3.0 content to 50, then Heavensward gear is not going to help. Coils have a level sync set to 100, but it's clearly a placeholder.

atleast on odin all sell groups just play the buyer account, because they usually cant 7 man it

its against the tos and some of them already got temporary bans, but they dont seem to care much about it

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

atleast on odin all sell groups just play the buyer account, because they usually cant 7 man it

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We are offering t10-13 without the risk of account sharing.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

If there is more power-creep from the Heavensward, eventually everyone will be able to pass it just from gear being more powerful and less damage getting taken. So it doesn't require a nerf so much as it needs a roulette with a specific party configuration bias that can actually beat it. No sense making people who passed it feel like they did that grind for nothing.

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What? There's still people that can't pass T5 in i110+ gear. Echo and overgearing doesn't fix everything. Yes it makes it easier but there are plenty of mechanics that you have to learn because they can't be skipped.

Honest question here and I'm sorry for my ignorance. The moments we have one person dying in the last phase of T13, the MT gets (Not always) targeted by the Megaflare ring, implying that he needs to stack with the group. During Megaflare, he has to deal with the tether and may the Twelve be with him if a tower pops under him. How do you manage that? I can't tell if HG helps with that (Which is available, since we never get to the 5th Ahk Morn anymore). My biggest struggle with a 7-man T13 is that.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

Honest question here and I'm sorry for my ignorance. The moments we have one person dying in the last phase of T13, the MT gets (Not always) targeted by the Megaflare ring, implying that he needs to stack with the group. During Megaflare, he has to deal with the tether and may the Twelve be with him if a tower pops under him. How do you manage that?

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It's basically the hardest thing about T13 7m, at least for the tanks. You could have someone else handle the tethers when the tank gets targeted, but that just over complicates things. The best way to do it is to stack with the group, wait for the rings to disappear, and then start heading back to where you were. This lets you split the AOE and then be out in time to not murder the group. It's pretty strict on timing, but once you get it down you're solid.

And how you handle last phase of T12? Do the buyer logout that the boss get no stacks?

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

And how you handle last phase of T12? Do the buyer logout that the boss get no stacks?

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Didn't read the post you're replying to but I'm pretty sure most sell groups get the person who is buying the run to die at the start of the fight. Once they're dead no mechanics matter for that person.

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

Didn't read the post you're replying to but I'm pretty sure most sell groups get the person who is buying the run to die at the start of the fight. Once they're dead no mechanics matter for that person.

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It's a bit more complicated than that for T12 because Phoenix gets stacks of power when someone dies and stays dead. I am kinda curious about the answer to that particular question too.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

It's a bit more complicated than that for T12 because Phoenix gets stacks of power when someone dies and stays dead. I am kinda curious about the answer to that particular question too.

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Ah I see, that makes sense then. My static is currently on T11, haven't made it to T12 yet and wasn't aware of that mechanic. Perhaps sell groups just won't sell T12 since you won't need to beat it to enter T13 once fcob is in DF.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

Honest question here and I'm sorry for my ignorance. The moments we have one person dying in the last phase of T13, the MT gets (Not always) targeted by the Megaflare ring, implying that he needs to stack with the group. During Megaflare, he has to deal with the tether and may the Twelve be with him if a tower pops under him. How do you manage that? I can't tell if HG helps with that (Which is available, since we never get to the 5th Ahk Morn anymore). My biggest struggle with a 7-man T13 is that.

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With i130 gear, at least the tower explosion + the DoT isn't strong enough to be unhealable.

Any idea how much T9-13 will be nerfed?

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Any idea how much T9-13 will be nerfed?

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So far there hasn't been any official word of the type of nerfs but added echo has been confirmed for the patches leading up to 3.0.

I'm not sure how much they'd want to nerf it either considering the outrage they experienced about the SCoB changes. While everyone was anticipating some nerfs, they didn't expect so many with such severity. Maybe after last time, they'll see what echo will do and perhaps only gently provide a few nerfs.

Pretty sure there will be no nerfs at first. Have to wait a few weeks before they turn on the echo and add nerfs.

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Originally Posted by Felis

it's coming .... with 3.0


I can imagine that AF2 will be ilevel 130 as starter gear for lv60 content. I'm sure that the ilevel of lv51+ dungeon/non-star crafted gear will lower than the ilevel of coil3 gear

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The current main scenario regular dungeon right now Drops i100 gear at level 50. (Keeper of the Lake)

So i can see it going up by 5 every level or so to 60

100 at 50
105
110
115
120
125 at 55
130
135
140
145
150 at 60

I would say guessing of course the gear swapping will happen mid 50s.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

It's a bit more complicated than that for T12 because Phoenix gets stacks of power when someone dies and stays dead. I am kinda curious about the answer to that particular question too.

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Buyer logs out, when the fight is done and the chests are up, buyer logs back in. Surprisingly not as complicated as it might seem. :P

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Buyer logs out, when the fight is done and the chests are up, buyer logs back in. Surprisingly not as complicated as it might seem. :P

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wouldnt work. 5 minute auto kick.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Stacks only apply to Phoenix in the last phase, right? Maybe log out just after Bennu phase? Shouldn't take 5 minutes for the last phase, even with 7m. Maybe it is more complicated than it seems...

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Stacks only apply to Phoenix in the last phase, right? Maybe log out just after Bennu phase? Shouldn't take 5 minutes for the last phase, even with 7m. Maybe it is more complicated than it seems...

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It's honestly not that bad to have the last player just worry about dodging in that last phase. Anyone able to sell the run can most likely deal with any stacks gained from an accidental death but even so, most of the damage that occurs in that last phase is pretty manageable. If the person buying is literally told to worry about nothing but dodging, I'm sure that they can stay alive for the 5 minutes that it takes to handle that final phase.

Logout also causes LB3 bar dissappear and LB progress reset at all ;)