The reason Summoner needs revamp threads keep popping up

While everyone is posting what they want there jobs ultimate ability to be I'll give some suggestions
Dragoon: 15 hit Blitz combo ending by firing a massive fire ball from their lance
Monk: 99 hit heavenly fists of fury
Bard: Gets a song that cast haste and increase party damage by 20%
Black Mage: Get Ultima
Summoner: Transforms the Egi into its parent primal for 20s
Paladin: 15 hit Blitz combo ending by throwing their shield so hard it turns into a meteor
Warrior: Bersek Mode moon turns blood red casting slow on its target and the Warrior does a 99 hit combo
White Mage: Revive and Restores 100% of the parties hp
Scholar: Restores 100% of the parties hp and increase hp and mp regeneration by 30%

I think it's too late to revert to a previous save file...

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Everybody out of the pool.
There will be another thread on this in a few days.
Please look forward to it.

It looks like you guys in the DPS forum have your own problems too, huh?

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

The reason why posts such as those keep popping up lies only in that players are unable to accept the job, which is powerful in its own right, is complete. People have commented on the lore reasons for all that you have stated ad nauseum. In fact, much of the lore you are stating has little to no empirical (in-game) evidence. I.e., egi require more aether than a primal.

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Mechanic wise it's fine, aesthetic wise.. Yeah not so much. All other FF games, including FF11 you summon actual Primals but not here.. here you get a mini version that is bland. The LB doesn't fit(where does the staff come from when we use books) etc. It's all fluff related issues we want to have changed.

For LB I suggest the following. The only class with multiple summons should have RNG based LB in terms of animations. Our LB should be a Primal Signature move!

For example

Fight 1 ) Summoner uses LB, Ifrit's Hellfire rains down on the battlefield.
Fight 2) Summoner uses LB, Levi's Tidal Wave rolls over the battlefield(if we had a Levi Egi)
Fight 3) Summoner Uses LB, Garuda's Twister

etc.

They could change the underwhelming Enkindle which has a 300s cd and make it worth it's long cool down by having it make the Egi temporarily become it's Parent Primal for 20s then do it's ultimate attack.

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Originally Posted by Syrellaris

Mechanic wise it's fine, aesthetic wise.. Yeah not so much. All other FF games, including FF11 you summon actual Primals but not here.. here you get a mini version that is bland. The LB doesn't fit(where does the staff come from when we use books) etc. It's all fluff related issues we want to have changed.

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Read the rest of my posts regarding the Lore and why summoning the Primal is a no-go. Then come back to comment please.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

They could change the underwhelming Enkindle which has a 300s cd and make it worth it's long cool down by having it make the Egi temporarily become it's Parent Primal for 20s then do it's ultimate attack.

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We've explained many times, with empirical in-game evidence, why this will never happen.

I'll even give you the explanation again, to save you the work of having to search.

Please, rewatch the cutscenes of the job quests. It explicitly states that

Quote Originally Posted by Ymhitra
In order to manifest these obedient incarnations of the beastmen's savage deities, one must first defeat a primal and capture its aetheric essence.

The keyword is capture.

Quote Originally Posted by Ymhitra
Now, you must focus. Visualize the aether flowing through you, a vibrant current of energy transforming into living fire. Hold this image in your mind, and the raging heat of your life force shall spawn an egi wreathed in flames!

This COULD sounds as if you use ambient aether but...

Quote Originally Posted by Ymhitra
Instead of fire, however, you will be concentrating on shifting your aetheric balance towards the spectrum of earth. Once you have achieved the required state of earthen affinity, the primal's captured essence will tumble forth and coalesce into the stony form of Titan-Egi.

Here she states explicitly that you call the captured essence of the primal.

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I sense Garuda's restless essence railing within the confines of your aetheric channels. It is time we granted it release with the Austerities of Wind.

"Within the confines of your aetheric channels."
Captured, again, being the operative term.

So, in closing, summoning consists of a few steps:

1) Defeat the primal and take its essence into yourself. (We assume this occurs by all who defeat a primal and survive, not just summoners.)
2) Find a place in which the aetheric balance is strongly shifted to support that primal, i.e., Sagolii desert for Ifrit.
3) While in that place, shift your personal aetheric essence to match that element and call the egi out.
4) The egi will be wild, having the qualities of the primal it was torn from. Defeat it.
5) After defeating it, you will have access to the egi. From here on you can do steps 1 and 3 in order to summon the Egi for your use.

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Originally Posted by MercuryD

I'll even give you the explanation again, to save you the work of having to search.

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Stahp. Run away. I made this mistake already.

What I find pretty funny is that Akiza pulled the definition of a Summoner from a Wikia page, which is not an official source from Square Enix by any means. Part of Wikia mission statement is

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Unleash the power of knowledge as influence. The collaborative media movement shows us that many minds are better than one. Wikia provides a collaborative publishing platform on which everyone - really, everyone - can share their passion and knowledge on subjects that range from video games, movies, TV, and books to cars, cooking, crafts, education, and travel. By doing so, we both unleash the expert and satisfy the curiosity in everyone.

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And even the Wikia I found on Summoners has no clear set definition of what it is, generally just a hodgepodge of different roles. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Summoner

The only constant that I can find is that no two Summoners are alike.

Akiza isn't going to care about anything you post, so the best thing to do is stop posting.

Then he'll make a new thread once this one is a few pages down. Just go through the history, this is far from the first.