Just Another 3rd party bot BUT 1000 TIMES WORSE

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SAMINUS

I miss SquareSoft...

---

Squaresoft is very much alive just minus Hironobu Sakaguchi, though Enix should break up with Square.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Peregrine

I wouldn't work for them, having failed every objective they were supposed to meet, monumentally.
They're protecting the only cash cow they have faith in, which is FFXI.
This game's been left to the rats it seems.

Can't make a subscription game with free to play mentality.
Can't build a respectable fan base when disreputable garbage players scav around the game 24/7 unchecked.

We're not interested in **** product like that.

Whoever's decision it was to not stay on top of RMT and cheating in this game likely cost this company a next-gen MMO no matter how hard Yoshida works. The harder he works, the harder the cheaters and RMT will take his cookies and make his game ****. They own this game. Yoshida doesn't.

Now the botters know this game's code better than the game's team does. Elevation hacks. Put their weapons away and agro just disappears? And they don't show up on radar to these people? For over a half year? Can't even mount a single successful anti-cheating operation? Not even a simple physical sweep?

How many RMT have been banned? How many cheaters caught?
Five?

What's the ****ing difference between shouting for gil sales in town and Square Enix pretty much doing that advertisement for them? All Nanawas have botters in them, right now. Every server. Every Tam Tara has botters in them. Every server. Same bot. They've been there for almost a year now. They take the shards they farm and they create high-level crafters with them or sell them for gil. Whatever they think is the most valuable asset.

And in every town there are craftbotters. Outside towns, in caves there are shardbots and craftbots. Go into special zone cutscenes, and you're likely to come across a player bot. Those are the cheating players too scared to bot with their alts right out in the open like RMT do, and too chicken to craftbot with their primary day job.

RMT know they already own this game. There is nothing Square Enix can do now to cut them off, and they seem to think they can whenever they want. SE just doesn't get it. RMT have probably switched 700 billion gil around so many times by so many measures that SE has no freaking clue what's what. That gil probably looks cleaner than the money on my retainer now. Want a R50 battler? Why, they have every make and model. Don't want to level crafting? They have em all, Buy 3R50 crafts, get the 4th free.

The only consolation to anyone here is that this game's so dead that the parasites are starting to back off it because there's just nothing left to pick. It's gone. It's spent. RMT have all the gil, all the characters, and all the assets they'll ever need. They are set for this game's LIFE if it ever comes back to it. So do the cheating self-entitled player base that squatted FFXI. Deleted darter dats. Employed voke bots. Salvage dupes. Flee hacks. Dyn hacks.

Square Enix is encouraging that kind of player with an open door policy. STF was the best thing to ever happen to RMT and the cheating elite.

That kind of illegitimate force will always remember where this game's dead carcass is in case it ever gets back up. Square Enix will realize just how stupid this decision to do nothing was the second this game actually gets good. If this game lifts so much as a finger, RMT will chew it straight off and then return to Rift, or WoW2. Or whatever takes their attention because FFXIV is already taken care of as far as RMT are concerned. Easy-peasy.

---

Dude just let it go your ranting on about something everyone knows please give it a rest

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Peregrine

You prefer to deny the obvious is what you do.
Whatever.
We all see the truth you can't commit to.

They count on your hesitation and hem-hawing around, while they run circles around you.

You are a threat to the game, just like anti-vaxers are a threat to our society.

I mentioned your friends all of once, and you lit up on it like a beacon.

Lol how many friends have you lost to the STF?

I'm sorry to tell you. They were cheating.
They got their trial.
And BUHBYE.

And if it was you personally who was banned or suspended by the STF, you shouldn't have been let in beta. We don't buy your bull**** around here.

You were banned because you cheated, not because THE WORLD MISUNDERSTOOD AND YOU HAD NO DAY IN COURT!

Lol no one said you get a day in court here, just like no one said you had a right to not respond to a GM who checks you. This ain't soccer mom democracy. When a GM says something to you, your ass responds. Capice?

If we have to choose between banning you, who doesn't get that, and not banning 10,000 of them? I'm sorry. You're out of here lol.

You call it injustice. I call it Darwin.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Peregrine

I'm sorry, the bot sympathizers are just plain intellectually failing at a simple task.
This isn't a witch hunt, because there is such a thing as a witch here.

Not a single one of you has been suspended or banned by the STF or a GM falsely.
Neither have any of your friends.

They were lying, you are lying, or you believe in liars.

This population of people who have been unfairly banned are lying through their teeth, and some in this crowd just lap it up.

Your alternative is...this pathetic mess. You happy?

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Peregrine

There's no misunderstanding, Hamster.
There is only gullibility and lying.
The gullible, because they believed their friends when they said they got banned for no reason.
The lying, because the odds we actually have a cheater in this thread approaches 100%.

They are a threat to society like anti-vaxers are threats. Their irrational fear of the only thing there to protect them shows their ignorance and a true predisposition to bite what is trying to help them and hurt themselves.

Or in the case of cheaters, to help themselves while pretending to protect the innocent.

Their fears are the only imaginary witches in this discussion. The cheaters are real.

---

Harold Camping said this sort of thing recently to fleece people of money claiming the world was ending and he needed money to save others. It was the same reasons the Catholic Church condemned and persecuted people for believing the world was round. It is all the same thing in my book. Fear mongering.

To answer your question about how many people I have known personally that have been banned? None. Nor have I ever been banned from any game. I have however seen on numerous occasions when a company will throw out bans to blanket a problem and then lift those bans much later down the road when the damage is already done after full investigations are done on the matter only to find out that it was a false accusation or the "proof" provided was doctored. The same thing has happened in real life as well.

Admit to yourself that you ARE on a witch hunt. Admit to yourself that all you really want to see is someone pay and "blood" to be shed for your cause. You really don't care who bleeds, you just want to see a reaction. You want results and that is all that matters. You want action taken to correct this problem so badly that you are willing to throw everyone under the bus just for your own personal satisfaction.

Do I want to see some action taken? Absolutely. I have the patience to wait it out and see what comes of it. If they do nothing to remedy the problem the I will take my business elsewhere. This may not be an ideal plan that they have but it is the best one they have right now. Continuing to force this extremist trash down everyones throat by saying "This is the only way, purity through fire" when it is not the only way, is only you showing us that you don't care to hear anyone else come up with a better plan. You want to paint me as a sympathizer while all I am asking for is a more moderate approach to come to the same conclusion. I take back what I said about you being the SAME threat as RMT or bots. You are worse. Close minded rhetoric and a very narrow view of a much larger picture.

This will be my last post on this topic. I have said what I have to say and heard quite a few good ideas. Hopefully SE will read these posts and be able to sift through the blood thirst to find something of value.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mortikhan

Hitler said the same thing to get a nation on impoverished people to go to war with the rest of the planet. Harold Camping said this sort of thing recently to fleece people of money claiming the world was ending and he needed money to save others. It was the same reasons the Catholic Church condemned and persecuted people for believing the world was round. It is all the same thing in my book. Fear mongering.

---

I think this is an inappropriate comparison. I think Peregrine's methods are extreme, however, he is not Hitler and people's LIVES are not at all at stake here.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mortikhan

It was the same reasons the Catholic Church condemned and persecuted people for believing the world was round.

---

You must be burnt for you have committed and engaged in the act of heresy.

Hello everybody^^

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eldaena

I think this is an inappropriate comparison. I think Peregrine's methods are extreme, however, he is not Hitler and people's LIVES are not at all at stake here.

---

After looking at it and its context you are correct. I was referring to his methodology of fear mongering but you are correct it was an extreme example. Edited the post.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mortikhan

Harold Camping said this sort of thing recently to fleece people of money claiming the world was ending and he needed money to save others. It was the same reasons the Catholic Church condemned and persecuted people for believing the world was round. It is all the same thing in my book. Fear mongering.

To answer your question about how many people I have known personally that have been banned? None. I have however seen on numerous occasions when a company will throw out bans to blanket a problem and then lift those bans much later down the road when the damage is already done after full investigations are done on the matter only to find out that it was a false accusation or the "proof" provided was doctored. The same thing has happened in real life as well.

Admit to yourself that you ARE on a witchhunt. Admit to yourself that all you really want to see is someone pay and blood to be shed for your cause. You really don't care who bleeds, you just want to see a reaction. You want to results and that is all that matters. You want action taken to correct this problem so badly that you are willing to throw everyone under the bus just for your own personal satisfaction.

Do I want to see some action taken? Absolutely. I have the patience to wait it out and see what comes of it. If they do nothing to remedy the problem the I will take my business elsewhere. This may not be an ideal plan that they have but it is the best one they have right now. Continuing to force this extremist trash down everyones throat by saying "This is the only way, purity through fire" when it is not the only way is only you showing us that you don't care to hear anyone else come up with a better plan. You want to paint me as a sympathizer while all I am asking for is a more moderate approach to come to the same conclusion. I take back what I said about you being the SAME threat as RMT or bots. You are worse. Close minded rhetoric and a very narrow view of a much larger picture.

This will be my last post on this topic. I have said what I have to say and heard quite a few good ideas. Hopefully SE will read these posts and be able to sift through the blood thirst to find something of value.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eldaena

I think this is an inappropriate comparison. I think Peregrine's methods are extreme, however, he is not Hitler and people's LIVES are not at all at stake here.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mortikhan

After looking at it and its context you are correct. I was referring to his methodology of fear mongering but you are correct it was an extreme example. Edited the post.

---

what the hell am I reading.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Yeah, I know how they roll with stuff like the mass Salvage ban, but it also happens on an intermittent basis as well, just google for LM-17 and you'll find lots of feedback from players who weren't banned in any kind of mass purge. Whether it's negligent payment, botting, RMT, or whatever, it happens both en masse and on an individual basis as well. It also happens fairly, with lots of evidence to back it up, or unfairly (like that stupid one that banned ppl who were gardening on their alts)

But anyway, I'm kinda wondering if that's what you thought the main point of my previous post was, because I wasn't really talking about that.

I was talking about how there is a great deal of misunderstanding in this thread, and that each "side", so to speak, thinks the other side is arguing for an extreme version of what they're actually arguing for.

No one's arguing for extreme measures on either side (total bot freedom vs. draconian crackdown), but a lot of people in this thread seem to think that the other person is - which is the source for a lot of the unneeded aggression and hostility.

---

Several pages later. No Hamster I didn't think that at all I know what you were saying :), I was just curious on a side point that I think, it may be possible that they're just building lists for a later date to mass ban, hence the perceived nothing.

There is a large difference between perceived nothing and actual nothing, although when you're looking in from the outside they're identical.

I think on top of the miscommunication or misunderstanding issue you've raised that the perception of inaction isn't helping them at this time and fueling the fire.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mortikhan

After looking at it and its context you are correct. I was referring to his methodology of fear mongering but you are correct it was an extreme example. Edited the post.

---

You all are the fear mongerers, not me. You balk and whine about big brother interfering with your lives when no one cares about your day to days and never will. You cite mass faulty bannings that never existed. You have no support for the claim that innocents will be persecuted and thrown into lion fights for our amusement.

You have nothing but an irrational fear of what would happen if the STF did what it has to do for this game to be taken seriously.

Or you just want to protect your bots and cheating. The simplest explanation is often the correct one. Many of you will never tell this forum the truth, and that truth is that your alt farms you shards while you sleep, and you have a crafting bot alt because you just gave up 3 months ago and chose to cheat and keep up rarther than not cheat and fall behind at being THA BEST.

You'll never tell us. Your words will just try to protect your behavior. If we knew, everyone would laugh naturally.

One or the other, you're afraid of the irrational or you cheat. This irrational fear of a draconian state is just soccer mom misguided. You don't know what you're talking about, and many of these features are already implemented in good MMOs and not in FFXIV. And if you cheat get out.

You think you're smart and enlightened simply because you've read the Crucible, 1984, and Brave New World? You all see yourselves as Atticus Finch when in reality you're the dystopian fodder who supports how broken the world is. You're not the voice of reason here. Look around you, folks. You're standing by someone who isn't even there.

You are living in a dystopia as we speak. There is no law.
It is not a witch hunt. It is an extermination.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Peregrine

You all are the fear mongerers, not me. You balk and whine about big brother interfering with your lives when no one cares about your day to days and never will. You cite mass faulty bannings that never existed. You have no support for the claim that innocents will be persecuted and thrown into lion fights for our amusement.

You have nothing but an irrational fear of what would happen if the STF did what it has to do for this game to be taken seriously.

Or you just want to protect your boths and cheating.

One or the other, because this irrational fear of a draconian state is soccer mom.

---

the people who dont want stuff done are people trying to protect themselves
or people who have been hit by one of several other MMos, mainly warcrafts, mass bannings unjestly(warcraft bans people based on gold on account, and im not even kidding there, no investigation, just "you have too much good bye")
now granted the 2nd of these cases are fewer, but fact is, if you dont cheat/bot in any way, you obviously have no reason to defend botting in any shape or form
and if you feel the need to justify it and say it isnt their fault and they dont deserve everything coming to them, perhaps you have something to hide

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Peregrine

You all are the fear mongerers, not me. You balk and whine about big brother interfering with your lives when no one cares about your day to days and never will. You cite mass faulty bannings that never existed. You have no support for the claim that innocents will be persecuted and thrown into lion fights for our amusement.

You have nothing but an irrational fear of what would happen if the STF did what it has to do for this game to be taken seriously.

Or you just want to protect your bots and cheating. The simplest explanation is often the correct one.

One or the other, because this irrational fear of a draconian state is just soccer mom misguided.

You think you're smart and enlightened simply because you've read the Crucible, 1984, and Brave New World?

So have I. You are living in a dystopia as we speak. There is no law.

It is not a witch hunt. It is an extermination.

---

I stopped taking you seriously a while back, it is clear you are trolling, and you sound so much like that batty woman from the Westboro Baptist Church.

I don't really take any rank 26 seriously. The bots are all over your head and out of your arena. You haven't even gotten to the part of the game where cheaters have stripped everything dead.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Peregrine

I don't really take any rank 26 seriously. The bots are all over your head and out of your arena. You haven't even gotten to the part of the game where cheaters have stripped everything dead.

---

I am Rank 48 actually, check out my profile on the Lodestone Pads, this forum sig thing hasn't updated in months. But indeed, player rank on forums is the most important thing to dive onto when you have boring and tired arguments.

Enough is enough now Peregrine, we get your point, and some are valid, some aren't, but this has gone on for far too long and the fact that I am still even responding to you confuses even me, infact I think I will just stop typing in the middle of th

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vahzl

I am Rank 48 actually, check out my profile on the Lodestone Pads, this forum sig thing hasn't updated in months. But indeed, player rank on forums is the most important thing to dive onto when you have boring and tired arguments.

Enough is enough now Peregrine, we get your point, and some are valid, some aren't, but this has gone on for far too long and the fact that I am still even responding to you confuses even me, infact I think I will just stop typing in the middle of th

---

he meant 26 crafter tops, your 48 is in combat

there is a whole nother world when it comes to high level crafting, and it really is pretty bad to try and sell stuff at the top
though it isnt as bad as peregrine makes it out to be, having multiple high crafts and being high in general gives you more options, you can find whats selling and make some of it rather then only try for the top items cuz obviously they would be worth more(not the case, they arent)

its all about demand, even mid range struff can be in more demand at times and playing the market is part of that

and im getting off topic

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheVedis

he meant 26 crafter tops, your 48 is in combat

there is a whole nother world when it comes to high level crafting, and it really is pretty bad to try and sell stuff at the top
though it isnt as bad as peregrine makes it out to be, having multiple high crafts and being high in general gives you more options, you can find whats selling and make some of it rather then only try for the top items cuz obviously they would be worth more(not the case, they arent)

its all about demand, even mid range struff can be in more demand at times and playing the market is part of that

and im getting off topic

---

He didn't, as according to my sig, im R26 physical and R26THM, with a max crafter of 16. I agree with you though, the economy is mental right now, but I do take quite a strong place in it, as I buy and sell alot of items through the retainer wards, in an attempt at profiteering. It was all I did in WoW for the final 2 months before I laid my cloak and wizard hat to rest for the summer (although firelands is looking pimp). I like playing the economical game in MMo's. You start out with a Fire Shard, and can end up with a Champion's Lance +3 if you play it correctly, (and no I am not referring to undercutting or screwing others over, I mean buying low and selling high, and cornering markets).

I am no stranger to ingame market trends, it's part of why I love MMo's, because the little worlds we play in can be like very real economical climates, with no risk outside of losing virtual property through a poor financial decision (like losing my emperors hairpin in XI through a very stupid AH based mistake).

Bots and things aside, you can still enjoy it and have fun, yes they aren't great, and should be reported, but they aren't the end of the world. I usually find only the weaker players blame them for all the shortcomings in a game, because they can't fight back and defend themselves. True players work around them, and even take advantage of their poorly programmed scripts to make gil out of their sales.

I have no issue with the economy. It takes very little time to make money. 15 gigantoad hide will buy you a stack of silver ore, which is nearly three stacks of silver nuggets. Those silver nuggets can rank up your crafting. You can vendor the items you make for some gil, mostly to cover the shard/crystal cost. There are items to sell to make money. If your items aren't selling, lower the price. But I have a question for you: What do you need gil for besides crafting materials? I don't understand what there is to buy current in game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ApplePie

I have no issue with the economy. It takes very little time to make money. 15 gigantoad hide will buy you a stack of silver ore, which is nearly three stacks of silver nuggets. Those silver nuggets can rank up your crafting. You can vendor the items you make for some gil, mostly to cover the shard/crystal cost. There are items to sell to make money. If your items aren't selling, lower the price. But I have a question for you: What do you need gil for besides crafting materials? I don't understand what there is to buy current in game.

---

Silver ore is so cheap because of botters.
Botting of coblyns continues to counterfeit it.

It's not about making money. It's about the futility of the market due to counterfeit items that shouldn't be there if legitimate players provided legitimate supply.

That goes for shards and metal that should not exist.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheVedis

the people who dont want stuff done are people trying to protect themselves
or people who have been hit by one of several other MMos, mainly warcrafts, mass bannings unjestly(warcraft bans people based on gold on account, and im not even kidding there, no investigation, just "you have too much good bye")
now granted the 2nd of these cases are fewer, but fact is, if you dont cheat/bot in any way, you obviously have no reason to defend botting in any shape or form
and if you feel the need to justify it and say it isnt their fault and they dont deserve everything coming to them, perhaps you have something to hide

---

They all have something to hide. Whether they got banned in FFXI and pretended they didn't, got their last craft to 50 with a little help from the unsleeping bot and got away with it, or have a little shard-making press of an alt that they stick in a cave overnight so they don't have to buy shards (from the other botters)...every user who sticks their neck out for RMT and the cheating population at large does so for a reason.

All of...this...this protection of the innocent and fighting for civil rights...The I'm-doing-this-so-good-people-don't-get-banned...it's bullshit. They just don't want banned themselves. It's a front to protect their investments, assets, playstyles, or cheap products.

This game needs law. I side with Blizzard. Come up with mathematical mechanisms to determine cheating, then execute those measures once you have proven your cutoff specificity and sensitivity of the test. That is all the proof you need.

The only people who bitch are the playing cheaters who got caught and didn't think it was possible, so they whine about their rights and proof and other nonsense.

RMT just goes hahaha you got us. We'll see you next week, Bliz. You won that time.

That makes RMT the more respectable of the two cheating groups. The cheating player base...the cheating forum poster...lowest of the low.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ApplePie

But I have a question for you: What do you need gil for besides crafting materials? I don't understand what there is to buy current in game.

---

Gil is for lap dances at the miner's guild
Umbral dollar day

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Silver ore is so cheap because of botters.
Botting of coblyns continues to counterfeit it.

It's not about making money. It's about the futility of the market due to counterfeit items that shouldn't be there if legitimate players provided legitimate supply.

That goes for shards and metal that should not exist.

---

I think you mean flooding the market. Easy to circumvent.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vahzl

I think you mean flooding the market. Easy to circumvent.

---

Yeah, ban them and delete the silver.
Then tell all the real players how much ass you just kicked and how many tons of silver you just destroyed.

Let them know how many USD they just lost.

Since when is silver cheap?

what are you guys smoking

JaJaJa!?...