I think Summoners are fine.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

You can also see how broken the parser is, because in the second I tabbed out as soon as my timer went off. The first I was trying to run out of range hoping it would end the combat--I snapped the picture much later. I'm 99% sure Shadow Flare isn't 60+ dps.

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Yeah something is definitely not right. Thank you very much for you input.

The best way to identify the issue, would be :
1. parse every skill one by one. Look at their avg dmg in parse to see if they match on screen display
2. Combine DoTs. Look at screen total damage display on each tick and see if it matches the avg DoT displayed in parser. Then look in the skill breakdown and compared with the 1. test. If any skill show different avg value, then we can deduce what skills is parsed inaccurately in the parser.

ps : There is no point in trying to defend anything. The goal is really to determine if there is something wrong with the class and then only we can say the class needs to be nerfed, boosted or stay the same.
For me, it is not about a decision if we should group SMN but to make sure the SMN is in line with other dps.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

http://i.imgur.com/1S197gp.jpg

Breakdown from the last one.

~320-330.

~390 from Raging Strikes.

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Bio with 670 DoT avg, there is your culprit.

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Originally Posted by Rover1983

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It is the hardest rotation in the game if you pay attention to detail and mix/max.

It's not just keeping your DoTs up. You have to pay attenttion to the global DoT timer, travel time, and animation time to always maximize each DoT. On top of that, you need to know when to use Ruin II and Ruin I.

And even on top of that, that's strictly on a dummy.

In a real fight, with mechanics and invulnerability phases, it's even worse because you can't and DON'T want to just start your rotation over, like other jobs. That's the benefits of being a DoT class. If Bio II still has 10s left after a phase, you better not start out Bio II -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester, you should just do Miasma -> Bio -> Fester. You have to really pay attention as SMN and make judgement calls.

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Originally Posted by Thotor

Bio with 670 DoT avg, there is your culprit.

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I would be doing more than that DPS if Bio and Bio II were doing that damage.

But, again. I made no judgement on those parses and was only posting what was asked.


Case in point: If Bio II averaged 187, and Bio averaged 671, that would mean 286 DPS from them alone.

So you're saying that 286 out of 295 DPS was those 2 skills? It seems like the dps was generally "correct" but the breakdown is awful.

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Originally Posted by Thotor

but to make sure the SMN is in line with other dps.

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I can guarantee we are.

The damage breakdown from what I posted is exactly what I don't parse, but I do pay attention to threat meters.

As I said before, they are no measure of any single instance of DPS.

However, generally, over a long period of time/samples if you're always in the same or general position, you know you're doing something more than other DPS. I am always #2 behind tank, or #3 behind a tank/healer.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

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Thanks for the parsers. They do confirm that their damage is pretty darn strong. Can anyone give a parse testing similar to this as a bard?

Also checking out your breakdown...by my calculation...

Bio, Bio2, Miasma and Thunder should combine to do damage equivalent to 2x Ruin as the potency combined would be similar...The parse does not agree however so either I have some odd misunderstanding about potency or the parse really is still that much more inaccurate that I had hoped.

Do you also use quelling?

Bard threat drops as they use quelling with their burst.

That being said, threat is a pretty unreliable indicator as half? of the classes have it while the others don't.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Do you also use quelling?

Bard threat drops as they use quelling with their burst.

That being said, threat is a pretty unreliable indicator as half? of the classes have it while the others don't.

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No. That wasn't a direct comparison to Bard, but more to all other jobs.

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Originally Posted by savant07

Thanks for the parsers. They do confirm that their damage is pretty darn strong. Can anyone give a parse testing similar to this as a bard?

Also checking out your breakdown...by my calculation...

Bio, Bio2, Miasma and Thunder should combine to do damage equivalent to 2x Ruin as the potency combined would be similar...The parse does not agree however so either I have some odd misunderstanding about potency or the parse really is still that much more inaccurate that I had hoped.

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The breakdown means squat because I should be doing ~400-500 DPS if you go by that.

The DPS seems to be "generally correct" on the Basic page.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

http://i.imgur.com/1S197gp.jpg

Breakdown from the last one.

~320-330.

~390 from Raging Strikes.

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Stop me If I say something wrong.
Using the DPS and total damage, we can conclude the fight lasted 150 seconds
Using the DoT tick you got in game, let's say you do 350 DoT every 3 seconds (they tick every 3 seconds, right ?).
So that's 350 * 50 = 17 500 DoT total.
The parser shows 32 821 DoT Total.

Now if take we replace that DoT total with our theoretical DoT Total , we have :
29216 Total damage on 150 seconds = 194 DPS