Regional Segregation

but how epic would it be if they did transfer the data via a series of tubes? I vote they take the steam punk option. Screw digital transfer, screw moving the servers, use an analog version of the interwebs!

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

but how epic would it be if they did transfer the data via a series of tubes? I vote they take the steam punk option. Screw digital transfer, screw moving the servers, use an analog version of the interwebs!

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buy 1 usb for 1 character, put some in bottles, tie some to birds.

ARR comes to you when nature says so!

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Originally Posted by viion

You are assuming they won't and then complain other people are assuming they will? :/

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Eh? I said i assume that they wont move it, since they didnt say a word on it. I just made clear that thinking they would move it in first place is also assuming things.

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Originally Posted by viion

Moving data digitally does not cost a lot, companies do it all the time. Data from all over gets moved around, we're not in the stone age, moving the contents of character data is not like going to the moon...

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Moving digital Data can be expensive as moving the Hardware itself or even more expensive. That depends on different factors.. you should know, since you are a programmer. Thinking that moving digital data is always cheap is straight wrong.

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Originally Posted by viion

Like Molly stated, why would they make so much effort to make data centers if only the new people get access to that?

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Existing people will get access to it, at least via World Transfer. World Transer = Money income for the Company btw.

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Originally Posted by viion

The thing is you're getting so angry about "until SE says something", They have NOT said they will NOT move the servers. YOU are assuming this.

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1. i am not angry, why would i?
2. i said i am assuming that they dont move it.
3. what is your point?

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Originally Posted by viion

Just like we are assuming they WILL, we "think" that, just like you "think" they wont.

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Correct.

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Originally Posted by viion

Don't complain about others thinking something and assuming something when you're doing the exact same thing yourself. And Se have not mentioned anything regarding existing characters, nor for or against the argument.

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Where did i ever complain about something? I were just pointing out, like i stated above, that the whole Topic is just assuming that the Servers would move. It is possible, i never said it is not.

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Originally Posted by Nero

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I would actually go so far as to say the current servers are not going anywhere simply based on the fact that the servers are staying up after the final save (based on the results of the player poll) as Yoshi stated in one of the recent letters. So it's very reasonable to assume that since they are transferring the data anyway, that they probably will transfer certain worlds to the new data centers.

You've got to think about it logically. There is absolutely no reason to keep all of the current worlds in Japan, while there are plenty of good reasons not to. That coupled with the fact that they are already transferring the data to new servers. Moving the data across the room or across the world is hardly different from a technological standpoint.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I would actually go so far as to say the current servers are not going anywhere simply based on the fact that the servers are staying up after the final save (based on the results of the player poll) as Yoshi stated in one of the recent letters. So it's very reasonable to assume that since they are transferring the data anyway, that they probably will transfer certain worlds to the new data centers.

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Hmm.. true, totally forgot about that Servers will possible stay up.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Eh? I said i assume that they wont move it, since they didnt say a word on it. I just made clear that thinking they would move it in first place is also assuming things.

Moving digital Data can be expensive as moving the Hardware itself or even more expensive. That depends on different factors.. you should know, since you are a programmer. Thinking that moving digital data is always cheap is straight wrong.

Existing people will get access to it, at least via World Transfer. World Transer = Money income for the Company btw.

1. i am not angry, why would i?
2. i said i am assuming that they dont move it.
3. what is your point?

Correct.

Where did i ever complain about something? I were just pointing out, like i stated above, that the whole Topic is just assuming that the Servers would move. It is possible, i never said it is not.

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I am sorry but you made it very clear you were not assuming in your first post, to even say people are lazy to not research:

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Originally Posted by Nero

I dont have to prove anything. If people are to lazy to research.

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Welcome to the NA-Forums.

To clarify this again:

- Existing Players will not be able to move to the new Servers.
- Existing Players will have an initial choice of switching to a different ( currently existing ) Server.
- NEW Servers will be the ones which are located in regional Data-Center ( Japan, Europe or North America ).
- OLD Servers will be still in Japan, they are not going anywhere.

People ask if you can switch as a current Player to a "regional server", the answer is: No you can not, since the old Servers will be still in Japan. So you are not able to switch to a regional Server and the OLD Servers will remain International. SE will introduce a World Transfer similiar to FFXI at a certain Time ( Which will be most likely based on stability on the Economy on the new Server ). What's so hard to understand about this?

Of course SE could go and bring some of the Current Servers to the Data-Centers around the Globe, but that we dont know.

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You seemed very confident to know about what is going on.

No, moving the data will never be more expensive as moving the Data + Hardware because it is just that, its cost of moving data plus the cost of moving the hardware, Even if moving the data is more costly than hardware, you always need that data, you cant just move the hardware alone in this situation because you need that data. So it is always going to be cheaper to just send the data. Which they wouldn't do because they would not ship over hardware they can already get on that server.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I would actually go so far as to say the current servers are not going anywhere simply based on the fact that the servers are staying up after the final save (based on the results of the player poll) as Yoshi stated in one of the recent letters. So it's very reasonable to assume that since they are transferring the data anyway, that they probably will transfer certain worlds to the new data centers.

You've got to think about it logically. There is absolutely no reason to keep all of the current worlds in Japan, while there are plenty of good reasons not to. That coupled with the fact that they are already transferring the data to new servers. Moving the data across the room or across the world is hardly different from a technological standpoint.

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Molly, I understand what you mean by your statement about servers staying up but it is still irrelevant i think, simply due to the fact that the data we will be using from nov1st onwards is not the data we will be using in ARR, that data is not being transferred. ONLY the data that is saved in 1 hour is being moved. Weather the game stays up for another 2 months or not means nothing because the data for those 2 months is separate.

They are spending this 2 hours to create a copy of the current data at that point. That is the whole point of this "your data will not update after nov 1st" because they have it already from that point.

They do a copy, not a cut.

You can be happily playing on US server now with your character but when ARR comes in couple months, your data that was saved today may have gone through those futuristic space tubes to US or EU :P

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Originally Posted by viion

I am sorry but you made it very clear you were not assuming in your first post, to even say people are lazy to not research:

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Of course SE could go and bring some of the Current Servers to the Data-Centers around the Globe, but that we dont know.

Sorry, but learn to read. Its in my first post, ignoring it, doesnt make it fade away. And people ARE lazy.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

The better question is why wouldn't they? Or really, why would they create data centers in the US and EU to fix a problem the current player base complains about, but turn around and not let us transfer to the new data centers?

TBH, the only question in my mind is; which worlds will be located in which region?

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The costs of putting a new "box" in a different region are minimal. The monthly costs to maintain it are probably a lot more.

As for what servers should go where. Simple all the servers with MY accounts on em, go to NA. Except Sargantas, that server can get tossed in the ocean as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by viion

Molly, I understand what you mean by your statement about servers staying up but it is still irrelevant i think, simply due to the fact that the data we will be using from nov1st onwards is not the data we will be using in ARR, that data is not being transferred. ONLY the data that is saved in 1 hour is being moved. Weather the game stays up for another 2 months or not means nothing because the data for those 2 months is separate.

They are spending this 2 hours to create a copy of the current data at that point. That is the whole point of this "your data will not update after nov 1st" because they have it already from that point.

They do a copy, not a cut.

You can be happily playing on US server now with your character but when ARR comes in couple months, your data that was saved today may have gone through those futuristic space tubes to US or EU :P

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Sort of, It was meant to illustrate that the 1.0 servers are not the 2.0 servers. I doubt they'd have ARR running on a VM, or vice versa, 1.0 running on a VM so that the world would stay on the same physical machines. I suppose there was probably a more eloquent way to state it.

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Originally Posted by Cedri

A bunch of americans on the same server...Awesome...Cooperation is our middle name rite? I dunno. I like the multinational feel of this game. It was one of the better aspects to XI and XIV. Sure I'm glad that we're reducing server lag, but I doubt many NA, EU, and JP players will be playing on international servers. So goodbye our international friends, it's been real.

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I wouldn't mind it if it was just NA and EU But sadly that's not likely to happen.