Will you bother to PVP?

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Never played much of FFXI pvp,

I might dabble in this a bit if it's fun though. Party-based PVP could be interesting.

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Ballista failed on FFXI simply because the mindset of the JP and EN players were different. The JP's objective was to work together to win, and the EN players just wanted to plow through people solo and kill. Hopefully XIV comes out with multiple gametypes so people can play what they want to play.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This is totally false. FFXI had PvP. It doesn't affect PvE at all, one iota, one micron. PvP and PvE are isolated systems and you don't have to participate in PvP if you don't want to and PvE does not change.

Also a load of crap.

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Who are you to decide whats totally false, etc.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This is totally false. FFXI had PvP. It doesn't affect PvE at all, one iota, one micron. PvP and PvE are isolated systems and you don't have to participate in PvP if you don't want to and PvE does not change.

Also a load of crap.

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When enough melees cry about how fast they get comboed to death by a black mage. They'll ask for a nerf to Thundara combo and they'll do it if enough people complain, and then black mage would be shit in PvE cause they got gimped.

It's happened in alot more MMOs than FFXI.

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Who are you to decide whats totally false, etc.

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I didn't decide it was false, it's a fact that it's false. FFXI's PvP was a totally isolated system that had 100% zero impact on PvE functionality. All balance accommodations for PvP only applied while you were in PvP.

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When enough melees cry about how fast they get comboed to death by a black mage. They'll ask for a nerf to Thundara combo and they'll do it if enough people complain, and then black mage would be shit in PvE cause they got gimped.

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Step 1) sleep BLM
step 2) wail on him with WS combo
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Step 3) profit!

Also, the battle system is changing a lot when 2.0 releases. You don't know that BLM isn't going to be affected by that at all.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Never cared for PvP it's always unfair and always effects PvE in a bad way.

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That's a pretty definitive statement in regards to PvP. Both GW1 and Dragon Nest (to give an example) are games that separate how they balance PvP and PvE. We really don't have much insight on how Yoshi-P is planning on adding PvP to FFXIV aside from a few concept pieces in the pdf with regards to a Coliseum and some GC frontlines situation.

[update]: Also this.

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Originally Posted by MMOCulture Interview with Yoshi-P

Q: What about PvP?
A: There will not be open PvP/ PK, and both players must mutually agree to a PvP match. Final Fantasy XIV will be the first game in the franchise to have a :meaningful” PvP system, hence I urge players to try it out.

Q: Is it fair to say the PvP in Final Fantasy XIV is somewhat similar to World of Warcraft’s?
A: We will have a PvP arena, which is similar to the one found in World of Warcraft. Our PvP team members played many matches in World of Warcraft. Personally, I am a player of Dark Age of Camelot, a PvP-centric MMO.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This is totally false. FFXI had PvP. It doesn't affect PvE at all, one iota, one micron. PvP and PvE are isolated systems and you don't have to participate in PvP if you don't want to and PvE does not change.

Also a load of crap.

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Because they never made changes to XI's battle system as a whole to benefit PvP, they adjusted the event itself. In XIV however, they adjusted the entire battle system that affects both PvP and PvE for the sake of PvP, it was Yoshi's own words that they made casting spec changes and taking out position requirements for PvP.

If they keep doing major changes like that for PvP, you'll pretty much have no choice but to partake into PvP as PvE will slowly become a shell of itself after awhile, as we see happen in pretty much all MMOs with a good PvP system that also has PvE content. So the reason using XI as an example won't work is because they didn't make any generalize changes to the core game like they are with XIV. Other MMOs make a lot of balance changes purely because of PvP which usually has an adverse effect on PvE and it becomes Balance TugOWar for quite awhile until the devs says "Fuck it, we'll get rid of x so we don't need to keep balancing both systems."

This is why PvP tends to pull ahead of PvE in terms of balance.

So yes people will choose to do PvP if they want to or not, but will the developers continue to make sacrifices in the name of PvP balance?

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

When enough melees cry about how fast they get comboed to death by a black mage. They'll ask for a nerf to Thundara combo and they'll do it if enough people complain, and then black mage would be shit in PvE cause they got gimped.

It's happened in alot more MMOs than FFXI.

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Have u ever PVP'd? BLM/Wizard class was never used or rarely used in PVP only in big scale siege war because they have no survivability for PvP and are huge liability.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

This is totally false. FFXI had PvP. It doesn't affect PvE at all, one iota, one micron. PvP and PvE are isolated systems and you don't have to participate in PvP if you don't want to and PvE does not change.

Also a load of crap.

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you don't know what your on about. nobody manually enter's skills when you can sting Multiple skills together and activate them quicker. its a very serious issue in many PvP MMO's and leads to an unfair advantage those that dont setup macro's will loose a good percentage of the time.

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So yes people will choose to do PvP if they want to or not, but will the developers continue to make sacrifices in the name of PvP balance?

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Any change to the battle system that affects all content will have content balanced with those changes in mind.

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you don't know what your on about. nobody manually enter's skills when you can sting Multiable skills together and activate them quicker.

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There's a lot more to PvP than pressing your keys faster than the other person.

Yoshi-P is trying to create content for all crowd types to enjoy. Who is any one group to decide that their content of choice is "better" and must be prioritized over the others?

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Originally Posted by Mijin

Will you bother to PVP? I won't. I've never cared about PVP in MMO's. If I wanted to PVP id play a FPS or something.

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Only if it allows me to cut the body with my dagger and force the ghost to talk to a npc to resurrect..

Hummm.. Ops