"Players who already like the way things are can feel at ease..."

One on hand, I understand the drive of wanting to optimize and really perfect your jobs performance, but at the same time, I feel like the fixation on perfection is something that really stifles job design creativity in this game, but I think the issue is less about the community and more about how the game enables us to clearly structure the “perfect” rotation because of how structured everything is

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

One on hand, I understand the drive of wanting to optimize and really perfect your jobs performance, but at the same time, I feel like the fixation on perfection is something that really stifles job design creativity in this game, but I think the issue is less about the community and more about how the game enables us to clearly structure the “perfect” rotation because of how structured everything is

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And then... suddenly we have a cutscene or some boss-untargettable event just before a 2min burst window on normal modes lol.

I do complain about the 2min meta overpowering every aspect of the job's performances, but I still try to play around it, even on normal content, because there's nothing else going on for DPSers.

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Originally Posted by Carin-Eri

Somewhat true - but by the same token that 'single project' is, in this case, their biggest cash-cow. And said cash cow doesn't seem to receive the investment that a 'project' that is, for all intents and purposes keeping the company afloat, deserves.

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And in Blizz, their source of income was WoW until Activision took the money to eat with golden spoons and promote its own product, which was Call of Duty. Activision was the one who wanted microtransactions in WoW, as it happened. In any case, SE will absorb money from FF to throw it into new projects, as FF14 mobile has already announced, unfortunately I say it, but now the money is in mobile games.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

But that would mean our damage numbers cannot be properly compared to one another and we cannot have that, that would make some people very very sad.
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arent we in a game that heavily refuses dps meter? how is that a valid point?

rhetorical question

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Originally Posted by Asari5

arent we in a game that heavily refuses dps meter? how is that a valid point?

rhetorical question

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It is not a valid point, i was being sarcastic there.

But you know that there is a subset of numbers site users that would grow into a massive hissy fit if there was too much variance in fights (just look at some of the reactions to M2S and M6S). Add to it that it surely feels like a lot of the changes that were made to the games combat systems in the past years were made to specifically cater to that subset, and you will see where I am coming from with that statement.

I just now read the rhetorical question bit and feel a bit silly. I'm gonna keep that post up for people with the same kind of text understanding as I just showed though lol

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Originally Posted by ovIm

It is not a valid point, i was being sarcastic there.

But you know that there is a subset of numbers site users that would grow into a massive hissy fit if there was too much variance in fights (just look at some of the reactions to M2S and M6S). Add to it that it surely feels like a lot of the changes that were made to the games combat systems in the past years were made to specifically cater to that subset, and you will see where I am coming from with that statement.

I just now read the rhetorical question bit and feel a bit silly. I'm gonna keep that post up for people with the same kind of text understanding as I just showed though lol

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What's weird is that it feels like they care about number site for some jobs but not others. DRG had its burst condensed and Piercing Talon buffed for FRU even though the uncondensed burst would probably not have caused groups to hit enrage on Shiva, but SMN fell off a cliff after EW and has stayed there, and MCH has been the skeleton at the bottom of the pool for years.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

What's weird is that it feels like they care about number site for some jobs but not others. DRG had its burst condensed and Piercing Talon buffed for FRU even though the uncondensed burst would probably not have caused groups to hit enrage on Shiva, but SMN fell off a cliff after EW and has stayed there, and MCH has been the skeleton at the bottom of the pool for years.

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I think they consider having atrociously bad damage, despite having almost no utility or buffs a part of Machinists identity. Sort of like how a part of White Mage’s identity is not having utility, buffs, or anything more complicated than raw damage or raw healing.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

It's crazy just how much the 2-min buff window idea was pushed so hard a few expansions ago as a solution to a problem that really wasn't a problem. Seeing that rare time everyone had their buffs align and getting the biggest, thickest, nastiest numbers was too hard a drug to resist, and now job feel is reduced to what color the attack is because the buffs and skills and fights are all built around 2 minute timers.

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The demand for buff alignment was not unanimous back in ShB, but it's definitely something that sounds good in theory until you realize how it influences the rest of gameplay. it was really on them to understand what buff alignment would lead to and if necessary, perhaps have an open discussion about it and why it isn't healthy for the game. The more a game naturally leads you to the answer, the less room for error you have when you don't reach that answer.

Is 2 min meta here because of consoles and how controllers work? Like do they insist of keeping 2 min meta as they feel that this is the best way for people who use controllers? Otherwise they wouldn't be able to spam buttons faster or if we had gcd of 1 second? Is this the case? 'Cause I cannot think of any other way to why they would still keep this and make combat ridiculously slow.

In either way, their "big change" would be just another visual thing to mimic and visually hide bad gameplay. All those flashy animations and big things are made to cover rotations and not make them look boring. They know it and they won't change it.
They also don't care if people leave this game as long as whales who buy every mog item exist. They will be in deficit but it will soon come to OK numbers once they fire multiple people and leave just enough so whales can budget them.

Let's not talk again how there are already multiple people on other websites defending YoshiP statement with: "it just another mistranslation #332552... he really didn't mean that..."

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Originally Posted by MayuAmakura

Is 2 min meta here because of consoles and how controllers work? Like do they insist of keeping 2 min meta as they feel that this is the best way for people who use controllers? Otherwise they wouldn't be able to spam buttons faster or if we had gcd of 1 second? Is this the case? 'Cause I cannot think of any other way to why they would still keep this and make combat ridiculously slow.

In either way, their "big change" would be just another visual thing to mimic and visually hide bad gameplay. All those flashy animations and big things are made to cover rotations and not make them look boring. They know it and they won't change it.
They also don't care if people leave this game as long as whales who buy every mog item exist. They will be in deficit but it will soon come to OK numbers once they fire multiple people and leave just enough so whales can budget them.

Let's not talk again how there are already multiple people on other websites defending YoshiP statement with: "it just another mistranslation #332552... he really didn't mean that..."

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I've seen console players get blamed for a lot of stuff, but this is just silly. The 2-minute meta stemmed from a subset of raiders who weren't happy that some jobs were being left out of some of the technical step/trick attack/divination windows and thought "just make all buffs 60 or 120 seconds, that way everyone always benefits." It has nothing to do with controllers.