Premades Don’t Break Frontline — They Broke the Illusion of the Horde Stampede

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

Heh. I never said that they were part of a premade. I just wanted to put out there how they didn't need to rely on anyone else. That's all :)

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Someone’s stubbornness is really getting on my nerves right now.
Are you still doing PvP?
I’ve been testing things out in the new Secure mode, and I think its map structure and environment are similar enough to replicate old Shatter
I’m looking for a wingman to try it with, interested?

Nyeaaah the problem isn't inherently premades (despite what certain fans may think of me), it's 1. refusal to coexist with others outside their groups (for instance, not respecting someone equally competent and supporting them on a more realistic priority basis if their friends are not in need of it). 2. vendettas based on this, apparently. If you're a confirmed loner. Twelve they go bananas over someone they perceive as a threat to their roving gangs. It's not just me, I've seen it happen to those of similar ilk. And this courtesy will be extended to the enemy teams they have friends on, btw.

For the longest time I've not been approached on affable terms, or even at all really, but I know I get talked about behind my back a lot. Funny thing they never want to settle in the open, like civilized folk. This has been getting worse and worse lately. The insularity is off the freakin' charts and THAT is a huge problem, at least in the west. It's put off a lot of greenhorns I've helped edge into PvP in the past, who quit shortly after. Now I'm barely seeing any new interest at all.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Someone’s stubbornness is really getting on my nerves right now.
Are you still doing PvP?
I’ve been testing things out in the new Secure mode, and I think its map structure and environment are similar enough to replicate old Shatter
I’m looking for a wingman to try it with, interested?

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I appreciate the offer, but I don't think I'll be of much help to you. I haven't touched pvp in over a year. I will be playing again next patch. I just know that I'll be extremely rusty for that time being. I'll at least make myself known.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

I usually do just play to my own music in Frontlines, its why I main MCH (we aren't reliable for deathballs due to tool rotation/short range on some of our AoEs) and systematically mute commanders.

But I'm under no delusion that I'm some one-man badass that can single-handily turn the tide of every fight I'm in and has never known defeat, rather I realistically accept that I'm a non-factor regardless if the premade is on my team or the enemy, because they pretty much determine the outcome in the first 2 minutes and I've been delegated to spectator-only.

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I can see nearly every good solo player occasionally having the same thoughts you have to a degree. In fact, I can go back to playing today and find myself exactly in the same situation you're in. You have to truly think outside the box. It's not as simple as just picking the better class to improve your performance. You're still going to end up getting into the same situation having a BH5 while being forced to watch your team get effortlessly farmed. It's definitely possible to make a small but noticeable difference while being alone or with just one partner. You're going to be forced to put in more work than majority of the players in your lobby just to find that answer, because it's definitely that difficult to find that answer. It's worth it though if you're able to find it.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Premades force horde mentality within their team. Only way to combat premades is by fighting tooth and nail to be a better horde. They turn the game into a repetitive, static slog. Ban premades.

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I think horde mentality is fine. Sometimes I want to just unga bunga. Also, there's nothing stopping us from coordinating with our 8-man party. This is coming from a solo player (who is new to pvp by a few months) that would like more coordination. No skill required, just a burst macro or something to line up our aoe. I think we should normalize making more pre-mades! We need an LFG to make parties together. You can probably tell I really enjoy the concept of team comps and figuring out what works. If pre-mades were banned, I would definitely push to coordinate with our parties in-match. You're telling me you wouldn't try to sync up your abilities with another who was willing? Assists are a thing you know. Don't we want more of those? (I do)

most groups also tends to when it is blue or red or whatever color winning then, instead of going around the back in a pinch move decide to move in between the two groups then taking flack from both sides and helping the winning team to an easier win or advantage I see it a lot and all the time.

It is like people do not look on the map or not having the ability to see that this is the teams main routes for an encounter or to stop it and just moving up risking getting hit from both sides or not able to do any damage at all as have to stay back in the trenches of hell.

Would just say just put in a solo queue for Frontline like similar to Rank Crystal Conflict. Server is pretty big as it is with different people playing at the time of day and people can just server hop from datacenter to another now.

premades are a good thing for a team based gamemode, and majority of bad matches only happen cause majority of the team has no clue how FL works and has no situtational awareness, they should bind the XP bonus too how good your team performed like third place 50%,second 75% and first gets 100%

The unhappy potato is 1000% correct. Premades don't ruin Frontlines, people who don't pay attention do.

I am talking about people who ignore repeated callouts about the incoming pinch, then drop 50-100 points in mass death.

I am talking about people who would rather fight the third place team over a B rank node than fight the lead team for their S, then they argue with me about it.

I am talking about people who loiter mid in Secure when the lead team has over 2300 points and our nodes!

I cant tell you how many sure wins were pissed away because of people not paying attention. The ability to pay attention is of greater importance than pvp combat skill when it comes to winning at pvp.

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Originally Posted by Chiyeko

Would just say just put in a solo queue for Frontline like similar to Rank Crystal Conflict. Server is pretty big as it is with different people playing at the time of day and people can just server hop from datacenter to another now.

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I agree with this. The matches would be tougher, but that is what premades should expect, other premades. I realized yesterday that the enemy teams felt like they were lost, and I was solo quing. First time I was able to have no deaths, and 50 assists (as white mage). I think seperating the queues might help a bit, but some people can still command.

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Originally Posted by theunhappypotato

premades are a good thing for a team based gamemode, and majority of bad matches only happen cause majority of the team has no clue how FL works and has no situtational awareness, they should bind the XP bonus too how good your team performed like third place 50%,second 75% and first gets 100%

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The first time I played FL I was very overwhelmed, and I disliked it heavily, I was like what the heck is this... but I then grew to be addicted to it after reading a guide on it, and just farming the season pass with two weeks left, haha.

It's not premades, it's the game itself. Bad targeting, awful ability delay, visual clarity of mud.