"DDOS" for MONTHS on end with no resolution UNACCEPTABLE

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

Foaming at the mouth, getting openly hostile and posting about how SE just sucks. That just drives them into PR face-saving mode against the player base instead of acting on behalf of it.

Unless you prefer relationships between the dev team and the players to be defined through hostility, a fine tradition that has destroyed game after game.

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I don't actually care if FF14 is destroyed lmao. It'll actually probably be a net benefit to FF14 players since it frees them from their MMO addictions to play actual quality games.

The nice part about the free market is that bad games eventually die off and get killed. You act as if "game after game" being "destroyed" is a bad thing.

It's good that Concord, Forspoken, Marvel Avengers, the live service TLOU, and so many more are getting destroyed. It's almost as if you shouldn't be making bad games!

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Originally Posted by PassinLay

yeah surely being "nice" works very well, just like the borked models for certain races, the ruined areas thanks to the graphical "update", boring jobs especially healers, vieras and hrothgars hats (it's been 5 years !) , restricted travel for absolutely no reason as we are already back to pre-DT population levels, amongst a lot of other things.

Surely being nice has worked very well for the community, we are getting absolutely nothing at all because this community is already too nice, they never hold the devs accountable for anything.

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Heh, you can check my other posts to see if I am an apologist for the game or not (I am not, I am complaining about a LOT of things), but like I said, we need to find ways to get SE to move for us, not further withdraw from us. Why do we need that? Because end of the day, they are the ones that produce the game. They don't have a game without us, we don't have a game without them. We are stuck with each other, we can't just rage and build more and more anger. That path goes just one place, and it is the game shutting down. As the proverb goes, "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

We are stuck with each other

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MMO addiction exhibit #239085

No one is stuck with Square Enix. There are millions of games out there. Now if you want to play an MMO I feel sorry for you because the entire MMO genre is a dumpster fire.

But most gamers aren't one-genre andies.

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Originally Posted by AnimalsALot

I don't actually care if FF14 is destroyed lmao. It'll actually probably be a net benefit to FF14 players since it frees them from their MMO addictions to play actual quality games.

The nice part about the free market is that bad games eventually die off and get killed. You act as if "game after game" being "destroyed" is a bad thing.

It's good that Concord, Forspoken, Marvel Avengers, the live service TLOU, and so many more are getting destroyed. It's almost as if you shouldn't be making bad games!

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I appreciate you being honest about it explicitly here, though it was unnecessary. Your posting history was already making it quite clear that you are here as an agitator, so I am not surprised if your main reason for being on this forum is to incite people to destroy their own game.

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Originally Posted by AnimalsALot

MMO addiction exhibit #239085

No one is stuck with Square Enix. There are millions of games out there. Now if you want to play an MMO I feel sorry for you because the entire MMO genre is a dumpster fire.

But most gamers aren't one-genre andies.

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AnimalsALot, if you are on this forum, you are paying a subscription fee. To a company you hate, for a game you hate, in a genre you hate, with a community you look down on. I am not so sure if I am the one who has a problem.

What is more sad, someone is upvoting every post you make almost immediately, including where you see it as positive if this game were to die, which means either there are TWO people paying real life money to be somewhere they hate, or you are liking your own posts from a second account...

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Originally Posted by Eyrilona

I agree with you on that point, but with how contracts work -- especially in how the Japanese deal with them -- I am going to say this becomes SE's problem only on the timescale on which it is realistic they could have looked for a different party to take over the NTT contract. A few months of network issues on one node feels like a very long time to us as consumers, and I understand the anger, but in terms of obligatory contract periods and new negotiations, if an alternative provider can even be found at all, you can get almost nothing done in a few months. If this goes on a full year though, then yes I will say it has become an SE problem.

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Right, contracts and changing infrastructure can take a while (and cost quite a bit), but like I said, this has been ongoing for years. I will admit it's been stepped up quite a bit recently with all the DDOSing, but NTT being horrible is nothing new.

Infact, the reason I started posting on the forums May of 2023 despite having started in Heavensward is because I was experiencing like a 60% packet drop rate due to NTT nodes. But doing a bit of internet archaeology, those issues with nodes dropping traffic has been an ongoing issue for different segments of players for much longer.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

Right, contracts and changing infrastructure can take a while (and cost quite a bit), but like I said, this has been ongoing for years. I will admit it's been stepped up quite a bit recently with all the DDOSing, but NTT being horrible is nothing new.

Infact, the reason I started posting on the forums May of 2023 despite having started in Heavensward is because I was experiencing like a 60% packet drop rate due to NTT nodes. But doing a bit of internet archaeology, those issues with nodes dropping traffic has been an ongoing issue for different segments of players for much longer.

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It does seem worse than it has ever been. I cannot imagine this has escaped the notice of Square Enix nor The Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation.

Each DDOS is bad PR for the companies and the game. They aren't going to ignore the issue and hope it goes away.

The thing is, we are never going to know what's being done behind the scenes to combat these attacks, nor the reason for them in the first place.

People upset over Dawn Trail? Business related espionage? Just some people getting their kicks? Who knows?

The best thing we can do, as players, is politely report each DDOS, even if there are pre-existing reports. It's useless to be rude to Square Enix because they are the real victim of the attacks on the NTT nodes.

We're collateral damage.

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Originally Posted by AnimalsALot

They literally swapped to NTT because it was cheaper. NA FF14 wasn't on NTT in HW.

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They were located in the Montreal office of eidos in Canada.

So no, they didn't swap because it was cheaper. They couldn't do any upgrades without overloading the power and cooling of the small data closet they were located in.

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Originally Posted by lolnotacat

Right, contracts and changing infrastructure can take a while (and cost quite a bit), but like I said, this has been ongoing for years. I will admit it's been stepped up quite a bit recently with all the DDOSing, but NTT being horrible is nothing new.

Infact, the reason I started posting on the forums May of 2023 despite having started in Heavensward is because I was experiencing like a 60% packet drop rate due to NTT nodes. But doing a bit of internet archaeology, those issues with nodes dropping traffic has been an ongoing issue for different segments of players for much longer.

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Before that is was a level3 node that shat the bed between the US and Canada at 6pm west every day. It's been mostly fine with ntt, with some issues here and there. This more recent problem has exacerbated the issue.

So is it DDOS attacks again today when they going to end that's causing lag spikes and disconnects.

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Originally Posted by AlienDiplomat

Every night for the past ~2 weeks at around 10pm PST and every other day before that going back months, the servers have become unplayably laggy and repeatedly kick players off. We have been told all this time it is "DDOS attacks" to blame and that SE is "looking into a solution. Why have they not found one yet? How long can we accept "looking for a solution" on a paid subscription game before refunds are warranted for failure to provide service?

We at least need some sort of update more frequently. Let us know what you are doing to combat this. I also play WOW and ESO and no other online game seems to have this problem. Only SE.

Please do better. Let us know via community outreach that you are at least working on a solution!

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It is very hard to do anything about DDoS attacks.