Housing lottery system takes entirely too long and is poorly designed.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

I don't think it has really anything.
To do with class splitting. The system is now purely luck of the draw.No other factors playing in this anymore. Not first come first serve, not placard clicking, not even botting.

This is the logical conclusion of fair. Your odds are the same as everyone else's. Regardled of how low it is. It's always split evenly between everyone.

The lottery system was always going to have drawbacks but that was something that community should have thought of before asking for it to be implemented. There is no perfect bullet for this. Instance housing is probably gonna kill a player venues. And for those who are saying "it's not"every other player requested feature has proven there is ALWAYS a catch. Because if you get this and its not what you wanted there is no going back like every previous system. You will be stuck with the system that you have and they will not likely revisit the changes. So, the community needs to think long and hard about this before asking for another change.

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Lottery has no bearings on creation of class system. Intentional limitation of resources (house) does has bearings on creation of class system. Especially so when the more coveteds resource (large house) is made even MORE limiteds than less coveteds resource (small house). Again, problem is limited supply, NOT the Lottery System.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Lottery has no bearings on creation of class system. Intentional limitation of resources (house) does has bearings on creation of class system. Especially so when the more coveteds resource (large house) is made even MORE limiteds than less coveteds resource (small house). Again, problem is limited supply, NOT the Lottery System.

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If you feel like a second class citizen for not having a mansion.. Is anyone making fun of you or insulting you for not having a mansion? I have 2 smalls and noones ever spoken down to me about them for the last 8ish years ive owned them for. Even if they doubled the wards, there'd STILL be complaints.

There is no reason not to have instanced housing. Keep the stupid wards for people who like neighborhoods, and add isolated housing instance locations for those who don't care and just want to participate in the various systems that require an estate.

Well, there is one reason not to have instanced housing. It's a huge retention sink for FFXIV that people's houses get smashed if they don't pay virtual rent.

"Erm, OP's fault because he picked a totally arbitrary server" ok buddy.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

If you feel like a second class citizen for not having a mansion.. Is anyone making fun of you or insulting you for not having a mansion? I have 2 smalls and noones ever spoken down to me about them for the last 8ish years ive owned them for. Even if they doubled the wards, there'd STILL be complaints.

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Is missings the point. Is nots abouts others making funs. Is abouts some peoples has access to larger spaces than others and for some peoples this makes them unhappys. As for Mao, Mao already has house and is nots concerned abouts others has bigger house. Mao recognizes the unrest in the community though over this issue. The fact that so many peoples complain abouts not being able get large house (in thread after thread after thread) shows that there IS a desire among many of those who want house to has largest house possible. Location also is common complaint. Some house in better location than other house (Mao happy with where Mao house is). This creates hotspots that also fuel competition and envy and unrest. This creates class system and such systems always lead to angers and unrest. Anyone nots recognizing this or the fact that it is limited supply causing this, is being willfully blind to problem. Since is impractical to make every house location an LB41 or make all house large house, next best solution is to add instanced house whats can be tailored to desires of house owner, likes what Negative and Jojoya been callings for. Is not need to replace current system with instanced housing but should be added so that everone has equal opportunitys.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Is missings the point. Is nots abouts others making funs. Is abouts some peoples has access to larger spaces than others and for some peoples this makes them unhappys. As for Mao, Mao already has house and is nots concerned abouts others has bigger house. Mao recognizes the unrest in the community though over this issue. The fact that so many peoples complain abouts not being able get large house (in thread after thread after thread) shows that there IS a desire among many of those who want house to has largest house possible. Location also is common complaint. Some house in better location than other house (Mao happy with where Mao house is). This creates hotspots that also fuel competition and envy and unrest. This creates class system and such systems always lead to angers and unrest. Anyone nots recognizing this or the fact that it is limited supply causing this, is being willfully blind to problem. Since is impractical to make every house location an LB41 or make all house large house, next best solution is to add instanced house whats can be tailored to desires of house owner, likes what Negative and Jojoya been callings for. Is not need to replace current system with instanced housing but should be added so that everone has equal opportunitys.

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We all have a equal opportunity, more then we've ever had. What's being asked is equal outcome. But the complaints will pop up still. "Oh this person has a Ward house and a Instanced plot and some also has a FC plot that they can decorate and its not fair"

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Originally Posted by Solowing

We all have a equal opportunity, more then we've ever had. What's being asked is equal outcome. But the complaints will pop up still. "Oh this person has a Ward house and a Instanced plot and some also has a FC plot that they can decorate and its not fair"

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Maybe so buts at some point, with optimizations likes adding instanced house, complaints should dwindle to somethings significantsly less than what is happening now. Trick is to find happy balance between makings customers happy and goings bankrupt because too much resources poured into housings.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Maybe so buts at some point, with optimizations likes adding instanced house, complaints should dwindle to somethings significantsly less than what is happening now. Trick is to find happy balance between makings customers happy and goings bankrupt because too much resources poured into housings.

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You think they arnt reading the feedback? They see the complaints, and their solution is adding more wards. Why would they ever answer the question for instanced plots? Saying anything but "Yes" its gonna be a crap storm. So don't address it, don't acknowledge it, the players can't be mad at you if you don't take a stance on a subject but continue on the path they've set out, rather, answering it through action.

They understand there is a lack of plots, so they will try to meet that demand by increasing ward counts and introducing new Housing zones, which they have done.

If no houses are available, then apartments are an alternative. A solution they've developed due to players not being able to participate in housing.

Housing item limit too small? Well they are giving us an increased housing item limit this expansion from Apts-Mansions

Island Sanctuary was SPECIFICALLY mentioned it wasn't going to be Instanced Housing to make sure that expectations were tempered before even getting it.

Instance Housing? Absolute crickets... They don't even mention it, to the point where it feels actively ignored.

. Either you keep your sub active to keep your house, or you don't and lose it and somebody else will happily take your place and may keep it for years on end.

Why would they ever willingly offer you an option that's equal to a plot that unrestricted to the demo timer if you can just quit for extended periods without any *incentive* to come back or continue playing?

They have suckers like me proving that the demo timer does work and retain subs. And you offer me a way out of that cycle. But why would Square allow my free money for them to walk away?

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Originally Posted by Solowing

You think they arnt reading the feedback? They see the complaints, and their solution is adding more wards. Why would they ever answer the question for more instanced plots? Saying anything but "Yes" is a instant 3rd rail, they don't even address it. The silence on this topic speaks volumes. Either you keep your sub active to keep your house, or you don't and lose it and somebody else will happily take your place and may keep it for years on end.

Why would they ever willingly offer you an option that's equal to a plot that unrestricted to the demo timer if you can just quit for extended periods without any *incentive* to come back or continue playing?

They have suckers like me proving that the demo timer does work and retain subs. And you offer me a way out of that cycle. But why would Square allow my free money for them to walk away?

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Mao seems to recall talks of making changes whats would allow owners of smaller house to upsgrade interiors in terms of layout and size. Now, Mao nots know if all this talkings was just smokes and mirrors buts if Devs actually mused abouts such things, it would appear that thems might be receptive to making housing system more flexibles. As for instanced house, who is to say that SE would nots has demo timer on thems as well? Or maybe SE drops Demo timers altogethers because is no further need to free up unoccupied house because is unlimited house availables now. If is incomes SE worried abouts, thems might find other ways to earn more revenues. Nobody knows for sure what SE plannings because SE keeps cards so close to chest.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

Mao seems to recall talks of making changes whats would allow owners of smaller house to upsgrade interiors in terms of layout and size. Now, Mao nots know if all this talkings was just smokes and mirrors buts if Devs actually mused abouts such things, it would appear that thems might be receptive to making housing system more flexibles. As for instanced house, who is to say that SE would nots has demo timer on thems as well? Or maybe SE drops Demo timers altogethers because is no further need to free up unoccupied house because is unlimited house availables now. If is incomes SE worried abouts, thems might find other ways to earn more revenues. Nobody knows for sure what SE plannings because SE keeps cards so close to chest.

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We dont know the details of what Mirage is going to be, i would like to see a showcase and more details before i jump to presumptions on what its going to do.

Apts are smaller but trade-off is they arnt on the demo timer, Plots are bigger but are bound to the Demo timer. So you want a system that is bigger then an apt and can be upgraded to a mansion? All while still have the ability to be entered like a plot that is off the demo timer...? Anyone who owned a plot would be livid... Myelf, i would move all of my stuff to that Instanced version and unsub when i feel like it. Nobody would want a ward plot since it could be demolished. Youre offering a superior version of apts/plots without the drawback of Ward plots.

If income S.E is worried about theyll find other ways. Your hand-waving away of how invasive monetization can get is slightly unsettling. Let them implement an anti-cheat system (crush mods) and put full effort into cash shop sets and paid convenience items, paid items, paid locked content woven into the fabric of your experience.

If having to keep subbed to keep my house from getting demod keeps the ever hungrier dogs of monetization chomping at the bit to feast on this game to carve it up into a micro-transaction filled thanksgiving feast for shareholders at bay. Ill keep the demo timer in place to avoid them "finding new ways to earn more revenue" because it'll never be to our benefit.

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Originally Posted by Solowing

Your hand-waving away of how invasive monetization can get is slightly unsettling.

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Mights want to rethink rude and mischaracterizings words. Mao never "hand-waved" anythings. Mao only said that SE mights find other ways to boost incomes. Thems explored such options before. Thems might try do its again. Mao never said Mao was oks with thats. Roll Ryuko been tryings very hard to be antagonistic to Mao with each post, even though Mao was tryings has good-faith discussion. Is true that Devs nots said anythings abouts puttings in instanced housings buts then agains, thems never really say much abouts what thems gonna do. Nobody knows buts SE. All Mao was tryings to say was that is lots players angrys and upset that thems will never gets dream-house because supply is just too limiteds and best house all gone alreadys. House system as currently is (Lottery makes no difference here) creates resentments among players because most coveted house already gone. Only practical way to solve problem, at least partly, is to make interiors of house and apartsments upsgradables and/or introduce some form of instanced housing. Adding more wards is less effectives because lots people whats are complainings are wantings the premium house. Mao just stating facts here. Roll Ryuko actings like Roll Ryuko wants bite Mao head off for stating facts. Mao never said anythings about supportings gettings premium house for everyones. Mao just said is what lots players clamorings for. Mao nots has LB41 or large house and Mao nots care to own one. This does not stop Mao from recognizings fact that others do. Anyways, this discussion gettings too abrasives from Roll Ryuko so Mao gonna bow out. Mao nots interested in has conversation with another player whats trying to mischaracterize Mao.