Arcadion - no spoilers, but...

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Originally Posted by OMGJesuis66

The fact that people, even on a side-content, are talking about Wuk Lamat is comical to me. You are not the center of the universe and you are experiencing someone's else story. Oh no, the horror. Of course story is going to be centered on her, it's *her* story.

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...awntrail-s-MSQ

It was a bad story. It failed at storytelling and characterisation. It was the biggest part of the expansion, how can you not expect people to be disappionted and want to vent their frustrations? Like it or not, Wuk Lamat is a meme, and memes get brought up everywhere.

With that said, Arcadion is cool af. It doesnt make up for the MSQ, and Ill be doing the fights every week for tomes and rewards and maybe a few times for the funsies, but they aren't enough to keep me subbed. Hopefully we get more like it going forwards.

Bee Lady ------> Thunder Witch -------> Black Cat, fight me!

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Originally Posted by OMGJesuis66

The fact that people, even on a side-content, are talking about Wuk Lamat is comical to me. You are not the center of the universe and you are experiencing someone's else story. Oh no, the horror. Of course story is going to be centered on her, it's *her* story.

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I think I missed in the advertising of DT and the Fanfests that it would be her story. Silly me.
Can you point me to where they said that DT would be Wuk Lamat's story? Man I can't find it. Is it the cover? Hmm no she's not there...

People have every right to be annoyed about that and to be relieved she doesn't appear for a change.

That shady Vince McMahon Lala showed up on screen and waved gear tokens in front of me for a Hell in a Cell match and I was hooked.
Genuine low stakes fun? I get to be a pro fighter with fans and a comic about me while unraveling a manager with an abusive system that exploits their talents?
Wait, he just KO'd the ref in match 3? With a steel chair?
Man I'm just so sold on this. It's fun.

Edit: the two sisters actually backing you up and cooperating without stepping on your toes or being center stage is really good too. I even like the family dynamic they have going on, with the two elder sisters with opposing views on how to resolve their predicament. It's just cool all around. Also I liked her gym. I want the abs option for catgirls now, we getting buff working out together.

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I think I missed in the advertising of DT and the Fanfests that it would be her story. Silly me.
Can you point me to where they said that DT would be Wuk Lamat's story? Man I can't find it. Is it the cover? Hmm no she's not there...

People have every right to be annoyed about that and to be relieved she doesn't appear for a change.

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When it was stated the Hydaleyn and Zodiark arc ended, your part as Warrior of Light also ended. No one even calls you like that anymore.
Being on the back burner for once is an excellent thing for worldbuilding and gives other characters a better time on screen, the WoL will have the main character's presence again in due time, but as foundations are being set? It is quite obvious it wouldn't be now.

Being the protagonist and a god-slaying entity that nothing in this universe can stop has been dull since Shadowbringers and as the power scale kept creeping upwards, there is no threat possibly that can defy our characters. *Not* being the WoL story is what made DT good and refreshing to me and my enjoyment, it is fairly obvious people excavate any possible issues when they find something displeased them, and not being the center of the universe is by far the main reason it impacts negatively the story for those people.

After all, given the same reason is why they overlook blatant flaws on the MSQs of other expansions which they scream with the top of their lungs at how amazing it was and all perfect it was.

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Originally Posted by Shialan

Holy...

People really make their whole personality about hating Wuk Lamat.

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Man some ppl really mad about this stuff....like they really want you to like what they lile....

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Originally Posted by OMGJesuis66

When it was stated the Hydaleyn and Zodiark arc ended, your part as Warrior of Light also ended. No one even calls you like that anymore.
Being on the back burner for once is an excellent thing for worldbuilding and gives other characters a better time on screen, the WoL will have the main character's presence again in due time, but as foundations are being set? It is quite obvious it wouldn't be now.

Being the protagonist and a god-slaying entity that nothing in this universe can stop has been dull since Shadowbringers and as the power scale kept creeping upwards, there is no threat possibly that can defy our characters. *Not* being the WoL story is what made DT good and refreshing to me and my enjoyment, it is fairly obvious people excavate any possible issues when they find something displeased them, and not being the center of the universe is by far the main reason it impacts negatively the story for those people.

After all, given the same reason is why they overlook blatant flaws on the MSQs of other expansions which they scream with the top of their lungs at how amazing it was and all perfect it was.

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You can like the story however you like. I‘m not debating that.

You didn‘t answer my question though just your interpretations.
They never said the WoL‘s story is over.
They never said DT would be Wuk Lamat‘s story.
They said it would be akin to a vacation but not stay that way.
They said the scions would be divided.
Almost no material beforehand even showed or mentioned Wuk Lamat in any kind of focus more then the other Dawnservants.
The never said we would be sidelined.
THAT‘S what I‘m saying.

And I tell you something else.
If you didn‘t try to sneak an insult in your post like „we are angry to not be the center of the universe“ I never would have reacted to your comment and snarked at you.

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Originally Posted by Zakuyia

Man some ppl really mad about this stuff....like they really want you to like what they lile....

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It's kinda creepy just how obsessed some of these people get over defending this house cat. Like, we're not allowed to dislike her for ANY reason. Every single valid reason to dislike Wuk is met with a "Nuh uh! You're just haters!"

And to that I say, "Why does it matter even if we are?" XIV is not some sacred cow, immune from all criticism. We're allowed to be vocal about things we like and dislike, just as you are allowed to be vocal about the things you like and dislike. That's rather the whole bloody point of these forums, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Voidmage

I think I missed in the advertising of DT and the Fanfests that it would be her story. Silly me.
Can you point me to where they said that DT would be Wuk Lamat's story? Man I can't find it. Is it the cover? Hmm no she's not there...

People have every right to be annoyed about that and to be relieved she doesn't appear for a change.

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...I feel it's common sense to realize that she would play a major part of Dawntrail. Like, supporting her claim to the throne was the reason our party went to Tural in the first place. We were more or less being "hired" to be her muscle and getting taken to the a new place as payment. I felt this was clear in 6.55.

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

...I feel it's common sense to realize that she would play a major part of Dawntrail. Like, supporting her claim to the throne was the reason our party went to Tural in the first place. We were more or less being "hired" to be her muscle and getting taken to the a new place as payment. I felt this was clear in 6.55.

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There's a difference between being heavily involved in a story, and being the story.

Emet, Venat, Hien, Aymeric, Estinien, Nanamo, Elidibus, Raubahn- all were heavily involved in their stories.

Dawntrail was Wuk Lamat. That's the problem. Arcadion meanwhile is going the way people expected and wanted. You're respected but not simped over, you're interacting with characters who don't bowl you over narratively, and you get to have opinions without someone instantly 'correcting' you.