Please remove MSQ dungeons from Mentor roulette

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Originally Posted by Bole

F2P players don’t have access to PF. We get an occasional sprout who wants to do the extreme synced, but no one in NN is willing to help. I always just advise them to queue and let the mentors complain.

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Occasionally after a time out one of the mentors would start a party and invite the trial players, since that's the only alternative. Can't say how prevalent that is though.

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Originally Posted by Asako

If you love helping people then help by filling stuff that needs done. That's your job as mentor. It always has been. I'm not sure where you got this mentality that you actively need to be helping people with mechanics. All you need to do is show up and do your job. If you feel your time is being wasted by helping people then you're not really as selfless as you think.

Help comes in many forms. If you plan on sticking with mentor roulette then get used to Main Scenario. There's plenty more to come. Be thankful it's no longer the 40 minute version.

If you really want to help people and not care about the reward, then just open duty finder and look for any instance with a number that isn't 0 and queue for it. You can even pick what instance you help people with.

That being said, looking at your attitude on these forums I don't think I'd even want you in my party as a mentor. Terrible attitude to have.

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So much wrong in all of this. There is no world where it is acceptable or good for Mentors to be in MSQ roulette "filling slots." Period. That's not open to debate, that's not open to discussion, that's basic common sense and facts. Those two instances are outliers above and beyond any and all other content in the game by an extremely large margin. Stop failing to understand that basic fact and lowering the quality of the overton window significantly.

My attitude is one of common sense, goodness and righteousness with an intolerance to evil, degeneracy and wrong. I love having mentors like me in my party because it means I do well, provide sound advice when invited for it, and do everything in my power to give you a good time in the game in however you like to play within reason. I don't just rage quit because it's a random Extreme trial or MSQ Dungeon because I have honor and integrity. But that doesn't mean MSQ Dungeons should be in Mentor roulette. I can't help someone watch cutscenes, and that prevents me from helping others who actually need my help. Again, have basic common sense. I shouldn't have to explain this to you in 2024. Anyone who disagrees or thinks otherwise is incapable of honest healthy discussion and is invalid.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

So much wrong in all of this. There is no world where it is acceptable or good for Mentors to be in MSQ roulette "filling slots." Period. That's not open to debate, that's not open to discussion, that's basic common sense and facts. Those two instances are outliers above and beyond any and all other content in the game by an extremely large margin. Stop failing to understand that basic fact and lowering the quality of the overton window significantly.

My attitude is one of common sense, goodness and righteousness with an intolerance to evil, degeneracy and wrong. I love having mentors like me in my party because it means I do well, provide sound advice when invited for it, and do everything in my power to give you a good time in the game in however you like to play within reason. I don't just rage quit because it's a random Extreme trial or MSQ Dungeon because I have honor and integrity. But that doesn't mean MSQ Dungeons should be in Mentor roulette. I can't help someone watch cutscenes, and that prevents me from helping others who actually need my help. Again, have basic common sense. I shouldn't have to explain this to you in 2024. Anyone who disagrees or thinks otherwise is incapable of honest healthy discussion and is invalid.

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See when you applied to be a mentor, there was a little chat that came up before hand explaining that filling slots is exactly what mentor roulette is. How is it wrong when the game spells it out for you before you even accept.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

So much wrong in all of this. There is no world where it is acceptable or good for Mentors to be in MSQ roulette "filling slots." Period. That's not open to debate, that's not open to discussion, that's basic common sense and facts. Those two instances are outliers above and beyond any and all other content in the game by an extremely large margin. Stop failing to understand that basic fact and lowering the quality of the overton window significantly.

My attitude is one of common sense, goodness and righteousness with an intolerance to evil, degeneracy and wrong. I love having mentors like me in my party because it means I do well, provide sound advice when invited for it, and do everything in my power to give you a good time in the game in however you like to play within reason. I don't just rage quit because it's a random Extreme trial or MSQ Dungeon because I have honor and integrity. But that doesn't mean MSQ Dungeons should be in Mentor roulette. I can't help someone watch cutscenes, and that prevents me from helping others who actually need my help. Again, have basic common sense. I shouldn't have to explain this to you in 2024. Anyone who disagrees or thinks otherwise is incapable of honest healthy discussion and is invalid.

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Yet you still fail to understand what mentor roulette is: a basic global roulette filler. You think too highly of yourself for bearing the crown while you are just one more body to fill a group at least 95% of the time…and lol you don’t complain about Guildhests or other braindead duties. There is not a single iota of basic common sense in your post, only a lack of understanding of the goal of the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Yet you still fail to understand what mentor roulette is: a basic global roulette filler. You think too highly of yourself for bearing the crown…and lol you don’t complain about Guildhests or other braindead duties.

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I also can't get over his ego. That's the best part. What a hero.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

Anyone who disagrees or thinks otherwise is incapable of honest healthy discussion and is invalid.

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You are only proving yourself as this. You are defending your arguments with logical fallacies and show a massive ego along with it.

I'm curious to what he wants in his Mentor Roulette as he wants to help people. Let's look at the content available:

Guildhests: Can all be done blind without assistance from others required.
Dungeons: Can all be done blind without assistance from others required.
Trials: Can all be done blind without assistance from others required.
24 Man Raids: [I believe this can only proc in progress, in my 4000 roulettes I've never got one as a fresh spawn] : Can be done blind, perhaps a few deaths but mechanically simple and requires no assistance.
8 Man Raids: Can be done blind, again expect a few deaths or wipes on later ones but again mechanically not hard.
Extreme Trials: Some can be done blind, expect a lot of wipes and perhaps a few time outs in group. Usually requires assistance.

Most mechanics in the above instances are all telegraphed in the main story and executed by NPC's in instances and trust. They went back and added markers [tells] to these attacks to make them consistant with endgame.

So pretty much if you feel your time is wasted helping people in easy content that must mean you don't want any content outside of Extreme Trials as it's the only content in the game not really feasable blind for most players. If you do want Guildhests / Dungeons / Normal Trials / Normal Raids then you're a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Asako

24 Man Raids: [I believe this can only proc in progress, in my 4000 roulettes I've never got one as a fresh spawn] : Can be done blind, perhaps a few deaths but mechanically simple and requires no assistance.

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They can pop. Got a few, mostly as dps I think (maybe heals too, not sure).

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Originally Posted by Rongway

The people who are actually doing DR:Mentor to help people will do it even without a reward. I got Astrope years ago and I'll still run it 20 times a day if I don't get thrown in a DR:MSQ duty. The moment you put me in a DR:MSQ duty I'm leaving to do something else.

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Good for you, you can't expect many other people to do that though. Which is the entire point. The mentor roulette functions as a successful backfill only because of the amount of people using it. It has very little to do with the quality of the mentor and more to do with "is someone available at all". This is an MMO and players within it are more often then not motivated by rewards. The biggest complaint about Varient/Criterion was the lack of good rewards. Despite the reputation mentors have for leaving when something hard shows up, there's still plenty more who are willing to do that content who will follow. I think it's foolish to expect a significant number of players to be willing to do that without some kind of reward for their efforts. Maybe a few mentors would do a handful of roulette each day, but it's just a big numbers game. The big reward requires 2000 successful completions. Even for a mentor that only wants the mount, by the time they finish their 2k, there will likely be another person signing up to replace them just due to the time it takes to reach that number.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

They can pop. Got a few, mostly as dps I think (maybe heals too, not sure).

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That's crazy that I've been doing it for so long and never got a single fresh spawn. It's usually a 0 minute elaspsed when people dip out of them for me.