The Devs Listen to Us

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Yes, they definitely said they heard the "3.0 job design" arguments but are happy with the 5.0 design and wanted to continue it in Endwalker.

Realistically, I don't think the design could ever be 3.0 again, because 4.0 is when we got job gauges and had some of the worst clunkyness removed. But they don't want to do 4.0 design either.

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Nobody is telling them to go back to 3.0 job design, because that was in the other extreme end where integral job mechanics were designed in such a way that not playing the job correctly meant you basically didn't get to play at all.
But there has to be a middle ground between 3.0 punishing and 5.0/6.0 baby's first mmorpg.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Nobody is telling them to go back to 3.0 job design, because that was in the other extreme end where integral job mechanics were designed in such a way that not playing the job correctly meant you basically didn't get to play at all.
But there has to be a middle ground between 3.0 punishing and 5.0/6.0 baby's first mmorpg.

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Which is essentially 4.0

A lot of the Jank of 3.0 is gone but the jobs still had an identity

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

Have they ever actually said they would work on hats for either? Last I heard was when they released saying they would have no hats, but some devs worked off the clock to get a few working. Nothing since then, so I was under the impression it would never happen. Like they said.

So did they change their minds, or is it still "Here's two races you all begged for, but no hats."

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I'm sorry, but you missed the point entirely. All I did was provide a random (very broad) example of a would-be dev blog update every week or every two weeks. The hat thing was just the first random thing that came to mind, not a real example of what they'd actually talk about. The point was that they should talk to us more often, not if they're gonna add Viera/Hroth hats or not.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Who’s ready for the last shred of complexity of healers to be ripped out in favour of WHM 4.0

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I was ready to praise Mortal Flame for the interesting idea of a permanent DoT on BLU this patch. That is, until someone joked that it's probably just a preview of how 7.0 will find a way to somehow push the accelerator even harder into lobotomizing healers. "We heard your feedback about pressing Glare five hundred times during instances, so we consolidated your entire damage kit onto a permanent DoT! Now you can focus more on healing" *gag* *barf*

What's the opposite of copium? Doomium?

Much more likely to go on as-is, without rocking the boat at all. That should be depressing enough in its own right.

I am almost convinced that you cannot have Job Identity and Job Balance together. Because Balance infringes on Identity.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I am almost convinced that you cannot have Job Identity and Job Balance together. Because Balance infringes on Identity.

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Besides PLD being in the toilet (which wasn’t even a balance problem it was that they stupidly made it the “physical tank” in a tier of magical damage) HW was well balanced by MMO standards (a few messy patches but nothing major) and the jobs all had very unique identities

People complained when their job was weaker but besides PLD nothing to the Level they do these days when every job is exactly the same and they still can’t balance the jobs

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

I am almost convinced that you cannot have Job Identity and Job Balance together. Because Balance infringes on Identity.

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It's a delicate balance but you can have both. Some competitive games (like fighting games or card games) achieved this.
CBU3's job balance team seems way understaffed though, so they're constantly trying to make their work easier by making all jobs palette swaps of each other.

Well, you are obviously a dev doing dmg control.......but since you are here.....Can you give us a hint on if BST is releasing?

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Originally Posted by FlutterYuu

You know when I made this I knew that people were going to be negative but damn some of you are like beyond frustrated with the game at the moment. Like the Devs should do something about this, and I don't mean ban you guys or anything like that but like how did they let things get this bad. Like I barely use the forums since I first bought ARR when it released. Though I do admit now that I think about it I was part of the Beta but it did take me a couple of months to save enough to buy the game.

That's besides the point. I see a clear issue here. Lack of communication from the Devs part. Something I did not know about until now if I do say so myself. I remember that the Devs would post here at least once a week. I can't say I've seen anything like it while lurking the forums this past week.

I'm going to go back and play FFXIV, but reading everyones responses have gotten me thinking... but also worrying... but mostly thinking! I may or may not lurk on this thread, and the forums. But I think I got everything I could get from this thread tbh. I wish you all a good night.

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Personally you should stick around here and observe. Underneath half of the troll posts are legit opinions and thoughts on the game that don't really get to see the light of day. Reddit tends to be a head pat circle regardless of the situation and we all know how talking about criticism in game can go. XD

You might gain a few new perspectives you didn't have before.