Why balance jobs to just high-end raids?

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

I don't agree with this assessment. If it was true, then why do people when asked for advice on playing DRK in dungeons say "just play WAR" instead? Why do people act like it's impossible to tank in dungeons as a DRK without having the healer/dps carry you?

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You also get people defending Cure I in 90 content, tanks that don't CD at all because "it's the healer's job to heal" and DPS who haven't discovered what AoE buttons do.

Some people are dumb. You ignore them. Anyone saying it's impossible or even remotely difficult to play Dark Knight in any content, much less dungeons, has never played any of the tanks before, including Warrior. Either that or they're lazy and want to AFK watching Netflix instead of occasionally looking at their screen to maybe toss an oGCD on a Dark Knight or Gunbreaker. That's why they want a Warrior.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

In 4-person content such as dungeons, the effort discrepancy between the job that requires the least effort to play and the job that requires the most effort to play is big to the point where it’s not worth playing certain jobs in 4-man content. But in 8-man hard content, even the job that requires the most amount of effort is not that different compared to the job that requires little effort.


I don’t get why casual players need to put more effort in playing the job …. [snip]

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I am curious about your statements above.

What jobs I find difficult to play can be easy for another to grasp. And as a ‘casual’ I put in as much effort as I can no matter the content.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

That feels like a very memey answer from a warrior main like myself, DRK is fine though it isn't as easy as WAR but you can do stupid amounts of damage with DRK. In reality, all tanks are easy in dungeons if you just push your dam buttons. The only issue with DRK is getting a bad healer lmao.

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If a healer struggles with healing a drk that is pushing even just some of their buttons they need their pulse checked. Trust healers can keep you alive and being better than them is an insanely low bar to clear.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

If a healer struggles with healing a drk that is pushing even just some of their buttons they need their pulse checked. Trust healers can keep you alive and being better than them is an insanely low bar to clear.

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oh I've run into a few specimens in my time, remember there are people who freecure fish at 90.................

Because savage and ultimate is the only place where balance actually matters for the job? None of the jobs are that hard anymore, you can't be serious saying casuals need to try harder. Just 123 and you're fine. You unironically say it is not worth bringing certain jobs in 4 man content?? Sorry if you are going to gatekeep a job in 4 man you are sweatier than most raiders I know.

The game already has been catered to casuals in a huge way, jobs were simplified right down and many had what made them unique removed. Homogenised jobs made things EASIER for casuals since you don't need to think at all to make buffs align etc as it's already baked in. You must be trolling. What a joke post.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

oh I've run into a few specimens in my time, remember there are people who freecure fish at 90.................

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Oh dear, the nightmare...

But ironically, even these freecure fishers sometimes had just enough amount of healing power to get my sorry a$$ playing as a DRK in some of the more rough dungeon pulls! Well timed Abyssal Drain and liberal use of TBN on top of regular cooldown rotating like any other tanks do still allowed me to live through... somehow, despite it being my weakest performed role.

Just shows how low the bar is to get a pass.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

I don’t see the point in balancing jobs to high end raids.

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We raiders have to care about stupid numbers to complete content

You guys don't

Just ignore it. I don't care if they nerf my favorite class into the ground as long as it plays the same. I don't use addons to track my dps. I would have no idea otherwise.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

I'm not sure where you got that I was angry jobs were homogenized. I just don't think homogenization should be catered to high end raiders.

And I'll admit to overexaggerating about high end raiders, but I don't see how that makes me bad at the game. I do practice my rotation and try to align my damage to buffs in normal content. I even do all my dungeon roulettes as DRK and rarely have issues. I don't see how not doing savage and ultimates makes me a bad player.

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If you do your rotation properly, why do you even care then. DRK is in the best spot he was ever been, for the whole expansion. Jobs plays the same, if its ultimate or normal raid. Every balancing is the same (if we dont take old content into account). So why should we balance the game around Jeff who doesnt know what he is doing, instead of content, where people need to do numbers to actually clear it.

Also, raiders really dont want homogenization.

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

Just ignore it. I don't care if they nerf my favorite class into the ground as long as it plays the same. I don't use addons to track my dps. I would have no idea otherwise.

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They never in history nerfed some jobs. Only buffed

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Originally Posted by SaltyDaddy

They never in history nerfed some jobs. Only buffed

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Shadowbringers summoner twice. And again going into endwalker relative to the others.

I’d also argue that dark knight is the worst it has ever been while also being the strongest. I just don’t find 20 seconds of frantic button mashing every two minutes enjoyable.