Mentor Status AKA the new Sprouts AKA Burger King Hats

The mentor system and how it works is 90% of the time a total joke, that is one of the reasons never going to wear any of them so called crowns.... and many of them that end joining in more difficult content just instant quits when the ex trials and likes turn up on the Mentor roulette.

The best thing would be to burry the mentor mount and achievement for good, due to the lack of dedication normally seen and that many ruin it for the few.

If you notice most Novice Networks, it is usually only the same old same old people replying to stuff and trying to do a difference.... and 1000s of others that just has the mentor crowns as an empty symbol they can't and wont live up to when you see them in game as it is.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Expecting a mentor to know the mechanics of every singular duty contained within said roulette, most especially when this includes extreme content, is just simply not pragmatic, this is why the mentor system isn't really feasible in the first place.

Sure, you'll encourage improvement of performance, but this also isn't really pragmatic in a roulette of this scope.

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Yeah, I've seen and cleared a lot of instances, but I'm never going to remember everything all the time. Usually, it takes getting hit by something or dying to it to jog my memory, but then I'm good. No one is perfect, not even the best of mentors. Everyone is capable of human error.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Sounds like the guy wants a parse to me. You might not have directly said that you expect a mentor to know everything in or remember how a fight works, but your grading scale that changes during the fight(?) would be doing just that. Your Op is also heavily suggesting that if the mentor doesn't give advice post wipe that they're a bad. Not everyone is going to want advice or even listen to said advice. Heck not everyone wants to hear about mechanics going into a fight. Some fights are mechanic heavy that trying to explain them all takes up too much time. That and until a wipe happens you don't know if the later mechanics should even be brought up.

I also haven't seen people flock to wherever the rare crown wearer is. The dorito wearer? Heck yes and even then I've had that person get me dead (HI 3rd Puppet's Bunker boss amongst others).

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nowhere in my post did i suggest a parse as in (dps), i could care less for that stuff. i've seen how toxic it can be from different mmo's. i also didn't say the mentors gotta know every mechanic , nor did i say they gotta teach or give advice about the fight/instance. i was suggesting a grading system for mechanics done successfully during the instance and shows you the grade [B]after[B] the duty is complete next to the instance name in duty finder or on the picture template on the right..... Not seeing people flock to wherever the crown is, this is true, most of the time sprouts are just doing sprouts things, which is no biggie. This is just from my experiences, everyone has different experiences, i've seen it multiple times.it gets annoying when it happens. all i said was , for their crown to be turned off automatically for that specific instance that they're not good at, until their personal success rate is up there, not every instance as everyone is assuming. i might've worded it wrong might be the problem.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I've seen and cleared a lot of instances, but I'm never going to remember everything all the time. Usually, it takes getting hit by something or dying to it to jog my memory, but then I'm good. No one is perfect, not even the best of mentors. Everyone is capable of human error.

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wholeheartedly agree

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Originally Posted by ThroatDeep

mentor make me so angwy!!!

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actually chuckled lmao

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Originally Posted by hagare

well this ted talk was disappointing.

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Agree lmao

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Originally Posted by Makarovv

nowhere in my post did i suggest a parse as in (dps), i could care less for that stuff. i've seen how toxic it can be from different mmo's. i also didn't say the mentors gotta know every mechanic , nor did i say they gotta teach or give advice about the fight/instance. i was suggesting a grading system for mechanics done successfully during the instance and shows you the grade [B]after[B] the duty is complete next to the instance name in duty finder or on the picture template on the right..... Not seeing people flock to wherever the crown is, this is true, most of the time sprouts are just doing sprouts things, which is no biggie. This is just from my experiences, everyone has different experiences, i've seen it multiple times.it gets annoying when it happens. all i said was , for their crown to be turned off automatically for that specific instance that they're not good at, until their personal success rate is up there, not every instance as everyone is assuming. i might've worded it wrong might be the problem.

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But how do you qualify that someone is bad at it? Cause they failed a mechanic? How do you tell that the failing was them not understanding the mechanic or a cascading issue from someone else not understanding the same/earlier mechanic? A tower needs to be soaked, but there is someone in the wrong spot. You try and rush to get to the tower to soak it (faster than typing in chat) but fail. Did you personally fail the mechanic? How do you separate group vs individual mechanics? And how do you improve the grade? By re-doing the instance and getting it right? Or do you need to show consistency? And, again, how do you grade this with the possible impact from other party members, that can affect your positioning/execution?

It's just not practical in any way to implement and it doesn't align with the role Square wants for mentors.

Unless the mentor says to follow, they shouldn't follow. I mean, if I'm on my main tanking and mess up a mechanic, with most everything I won't die (outside EX, savage, etc). If sprouts follow me, though, they probably will since don't have the def or mitigation. Sometimes tanks are lazy and sometimes just eat mechs we know we can live through. Plus as others have said, sometimes we get unlucky and get a dungeon we maybe only did once - in that case we might as well be sprouts too ^^

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Originally Posted by Makarovv

I believe this will push players/community to want to do better or strive to be a better player. you get the gist of it, im out. Thank you for coming to my ted talk o/

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You don't know people very well, do you?

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

ChrysOce already answered that on the previous page.

It’s a voluntary service to provide knowledge and insight. Not to be walking strategy guides and hand holders

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You literally said everyone should be responsible for their own progress and performance, which would mean mentors should not help them with their progress through the game nor with their performance, so what are mentors helping with then?