Is Square losing Money due to 3rd party tool usage?

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Don't use mods. Now, back to that citation...

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Okay, so now what about all the other players using whatever unsupported unlicensed unofficial mods that are unchecked by square enix? How is me not using mods going to prevent them from using malicious mods to steal my personal information? You think you want the wild west, but you really don't.

Fact is, the game is unsafe to anyone who cares about following the ToS. It's an open sandbox for modders and rulebreakers. If you don't fit in with that definition, it's best to avoid this game like the plague.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Okay, so now what about all the other players using whatever unsupported unlicensed unofficial mods that are unchecked by square enix? How is me not using mods going to prevent them from using malicious mods to steal my personal information? You think you want the wild west, but you really don't.

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Now you're just changing the subject instead of producing a citation that SE is losing tons of money.

Also, you sound pretty paranoid. Best to unplug all electronic devices. Just to be sure.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

How is me not using mods going to prevent them from using malicious mods to steal my personal information? You think you want the wild west, but you really don't.

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Easy its all client side. Now if SE got hacked through a mod/plug-in you have every right to be worried. But since all parsers and graphical mods are all client side(local) as long as you don't download the mods or log into your account on an infected computer you're right as rain.

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Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd

Easy its all client side. Now if SE got hacked through a mod/plug-in you have every right to be worried. But since all parsers and graphical mods are all client side(local) as long as you don't download the mods or log into your account on an infected computer you're right as rain.

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Sounds convenient but there's nothing to prevent a client-side mod from displaying information that is hidden on the client otherwise. If the company can't even prevent this stuff despite it being against the ToS, why should I trust their security countermeasures at all? The game has a huge problem and it seems like square enix just threw their hands up in the air. Don't ask don't tell, don't play.

@Poporito I sound "paranoid" because I don't feel comfortable playing a video game that has no security measures and an extremely active toxic mod community. Interesting. There are better things to do with my life than risk security on a video game. You people mod fantasia instead of buying it, you mod cosmetics instead of buying them. You have interest in these things, but no interest in paying for them. This is tons of lost money. If not for mods, you would have to pay for your interests, like everyone else who doesn't break the rules.

I think that they should delete anyone's account who has used fantasia mods. You stole from square enix.

I think they could loose money from them. Ones could use them to swap Mogstation outfits for normal gear. That cost them because one's using them wouldn't be buying them then.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

I think they could loose money from them. Ones could use them to swap Mogstation outfits for normal gear. That cost them because one's using them wouldn't be buying them then.

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You underestimate people and their need to show off to others. Also, back when I took a look at said mods, most of them use mogstation costumes as the base for the mod (you have to own it in order to install the mod) so unless you knew how to edit the mod files you had to have the costume bought.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Sounds convenient but there's nothing to prevent a client-side mod from displaying information that is hidden on the client otherwise. If the company can't even prevent this stuff despite it being against the ToS, why should I trust their security countermeasures at all? The game has a huge problem and it seems like square enix just threw their hands up in the air. Don't ask don't tell, don't play.

@Poporito I sound "paranoid" because I don't feel comfortable playing a video game that has no security measures and an extremely active toxic mod community. Interesting. There are better things to do with my life than risk security on a video game. You people mod fantasia instead of buying it, you mod cosmetics instead of buying them. You have interest in these things, but no interest in paying for them. This is tons of lost money. If not for mods, you would have to pay for your interests, like everyone else who doesn't break the rules.

I think that they should delete anyone's account who has used fantasia mods. You stole from square enix.

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A few thoughts:
1.) Third-party tools and mods used by players cannot receive any kind of data from other players, save what the client makes available naturally. You are at no point at risk of any sort of compromise in this regard. Even ACT can't pull the kind of data you seem to be thinking of.
2.) The hell is a Fantasia mod? You can't force the game to give you items. There are third-party tools for temporarily adjusting your character's appearance, but that's entirely client-side - no one else is able to see it.
3.) A not insignificant portion of the player-base is only still here because of their access to third-party tools and ability to mod the game. Bereft of that, there would definitely be an exodus. Would it be a majority? No, but it would be enough for SE to notice the dip in sales fairly readily.
4.) Most of the people that do choose to use vanity mods tend to be of the demographics most likely to make a lot of purchases from the Mogstation, including Fantasias. Especially Fantasias.

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Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Sounds convenient but there's nothing to prevent a client-side mod from displaying information that is hidden on the client otherwise. If the company can't even prevent this stuff despite it being against the ToS, why should I trust their security countermeasures at all? The game has a huge problem and it seems like square enix just threw their hands up in the air. Don't ask don't tell, don't play.

@Poporito I sound "paranoid" because I don't feel comfortable playing a video game that has no security measures and an extremely active toxic mod community. Interesting. There are better things to do with my life than risk security on a video game. You people mod fantasia instead of buying it, you mod cosmetics instead of buying them. You have interest in these things, but no interest in paying for them. This is tons of lost money. If not for mods, you would have to pay for your interests, like everyone else who doesn't break the rules.

I think that they should delete anyone's account who has used fantasia mods. You stole from square enix.

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PSA: Plugins and mods aren't the same thing. If you're going to call a community toxic, at least insult the correct one. The toxicity stems from the plugin community, the modding side minds their own business unless someone does something dumb like plaster it on a billboard.

Side note, modders do pay for fantasia and in game cosmetics. There's isn't a plugin available that permanently changes the appearance of your character (it changes on teleport/instance swap) and you still need the base items to even have certain mods display at all. You should probably know what you're talking about if you plan to go on a crusade against them. The modding (and by association the roleplay) community carries the fantasia sales on their backs.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

PSA: Plugins and mods aren't the same thing. If you're going to call a community toxic, at least insult the correct one. The toxicity stems from the plugin community, the modding side minds their own business unless someone does something dumb like plaster it on a billboard.

Side note, modders do pay for fantasia and in game cosmetics. There's isn't a plugin available that permanently changes the appearance of your character (it changes on teleport/instance swap) and you still need the base items to even have certain mods display at all. You should probably know what you're talking about if you plan to go on a crusade against them. The modding (and by association the roleplay) community carries the fantasia sales on their backs.

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Liana you're wasting your time with him. He's so stuck in his delusions, assumptions, and ignorance that he's resorted to strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, and outright open hostility in the other dumpster fire thread.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Liana you're wasting your time with him. He's so stuck in his delusions, assumptions, and ignorance that he's resorted to strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, and outright open hostility in the other dumpster fire thread.

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How is it a delusion if it is happening? People can mod their appearance to be whatever they want clientside. If they don't care about what other people think, then it doesn't matter to them. Why would they ever buy a fantasia when they can just mod their appearance however they want?