Paladin Reworks??

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Subjective, and therefore irrelevant

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You're subjective, therefore irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

You're subjective, therefore irrelevant.

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Great comeback, really inspiring. You're devolving from a troll to a parrot

I would recommend using the ignore list feature on the more desperate for attention Dunning-Kruger troll types around here. No need to waste any time in your life on people who don't deserve any of it.

Seconding that. That guy is going around lots of threads just seeking attention. Just ignore and move onto more interresting points to discuss.
He will resort to cheap provocations and personnal attacks to make you engage, don't. There is no discussion to be had and any argument you can think of, no matter their value, will not be acknowledged.

thirded, no point in feeding him, it'll never lead anywhere actually useful

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Originally Posted by Mithron

Changing 18 jobs is better when all 18 jobs are saying the same thing: "We don't like two minute burst meta." The root cause of the problem is not that PLD isn't fun to play because it doesn't fit into the two minute burst meta. The root cause is that the two minute burst meta is not fun to play.

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Never said PLD wasn't fun to play, I said precisely the opposite of that, that I like PLD deerly right now.

But then again, I never saw anyone, outside those forums, that said the two minutes meta is inherently bad, rather the opposite really.

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Originally Posted by NakanoTEA

The problem comes when instead of adapting the job to the new meta, they get rid of the complexity it has. I don't mind if they change it completely, I just want to have a tank that isn't braindead to optimize with.

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I understand, and agree, PLD is harder and more interesting than WAR and DRK, but GNB is harder than PLD, and there are lots of jobs that are harder to optimize than PLD, if you count DPSs. All of those follow the 2 minute rotation, so really, let's not worry too much beforehand.

Ah I love when the unwashed masses strawman instead of confronting a point

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

Never said PLD wasn't fun to play, I said precisely the opposite of that, that I like PLD deerly right now.

But then again, I never saw anyone, outside those forums, that said the two minutes meta is inherently bad, rather the opposite really.



I understand, and agree, PLD is harder and more interesting than WAR and DRK, but GNB is harder than PLD, and there are lots of jobs that are harder to optimize than PLD, if you count DPSs. All of those follow the 2 minute rotation, so really, let's not worry too much beforehand.

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I seen plenty of it in a few sources. Most people who either don't care one way or the other aren't going to give criticism on it.

As someone who has seen my dedicated main get slaughtered into a 'busier-burst' clone of another job, the tank role in general get so simplified to the point a half-dead goldfish could probably do it successfully. I am plenty worried that Paladin will just become Warrior 3.0. It already has the 5 stacks of requeiscat and 3 stacks of sword oath for atonement before this rework to begin with. GNB feels great, and it's really my only source of hope that they can make it feel great in the current iteration of gameplay

I agree there are things about Paladin that do need to be changed, because they are rather blatant (cursed openers to optimize FoF and that; and I'm not personally a fan of atonement in general) but the concern will keep being there until I actually get to see what they show. Whether it either turns into relief or disappointment

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

But then again, I never saw anyone, outside those forums, that said the two minutes meta is inherently bad, rather the opposite really.

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I hear it constantly in these forums, in game, in Novice Network, in FC chat, during fights, on podcasts, on YouTube, on Twitch, from day 1 Savage prog/Ultimate raiders... it's pretty unanimous that most people don't like it.

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Originally Posted by Mithron

I hear it constantly in these forums, in game, in Novice Network, in FC chat, during fights, on podcasts, on YouTube, on Twitch, from day 1 Savage prog/Ultimate raiders... it's pretty unanimous that most people don't like it.

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Provide the data if you wish to claim it. People are more likely to moan and groan than they are to praise. So unless you have the numbers, be quiet