Patch 6.21 Notes

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Originally Posted by Iyrnthota

I dunno, the idea that they use a variety of different comps doens't jive with their statement about this tier.
They claim to have spent a long time figuring out this fight and using that to determine the check, which tells me they had the same comp throughout, like a typical static might.

If they managed to spend as much time as they're implying optimising their runs on multiple comps, then they might actually be god gamers

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They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they weren't thorough. It sounds like it's being assumed that there's only 8 people on this team. Maybe people need to stop using their favorite cliche about the small indie company because it's definitely affecting their thought process.

This update is beyond strange. They acknowledge (sorta) that job balance sucks but then are also applying bandaid fix on p8s. A bandaid already existed in form of just getting gear.

I am glad however they are finally acknowledging that making bosses giant and giving melees free uptime all the time has consequences on job balance. For me it does confirm however that job designers and raid designers are not talking to each other.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they weren't thorough. It sounds like it's being assumed that there's only 8 people on this team. Maybe people need to stop using their favorite cliche about the small indie company because it's definitely affecting their thought process.

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Seeing how much job balance sucks, yea I think we can say they arent thorough enough.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they weren't thorough. It sounds like it's being assumed that there's only 8 people on this team. Maybe people need to stop using their favorite cliche about the small indie company because it's definitely affecting their thought process.

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Like, I'm sure they do a very good job, but in this particular case their statements just sound completely at odds with the assumption that they tested all comps. The results seem to agree, with the tier being incredibly difficult for "non meta" comps to clear even when playing perfectly.

Obviously we'll never know, cause they'll never tell. So all of this is spectulation on all sides, but it doesn't come off as a great look.


All I'll say is you brought up the cliche, not me.
You know who isn't a small indie company? Amazon.
You know who fucks up all the time? Amazon.

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Two truths of MMOs

1. Class balance is always a line drive to the pitchers crotch or way out in left field where no one is at.

2. Raid communties have a long established mindset of bring the best kick the rest.

After rereading their argument for the p8s nerf I came to a worrying conclusion. Their attitude really feels similar to post-Cata WoW's devs when their hubris was at it's peak. It rang hollow and just showcased underlying issues. I really hope i'm wrong. I would rather be pleasantly surprised than see history repeat itself. :/

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

After rereading their argument for the p8s nerf I came to a worrying conclusion. Their attitude really feels similar to post-Cata WoW's devs when their hubris was at it's peak. It rang hollow and just showcased underlying issues. I really hope i'm wrong. I would rather be pleasantly surprised than see history repeat itself. :/

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It's more like... Gordias balance than anything.


But doomsayers will be doomsayers.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It's more like... Gordias balance than anything.

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Which they admitted after the fact was terrible and said they'd never do it again. Oh wait. . .

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Which they admitted after the fact was terrible and said they'd never do it again. Oh wait. . .

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Yes, and hence the adjustments. Gordias wasn't nerfed until much later lol. The damage had already be done.

These are very different responses.

As i read this again. Im looking at it like this, on there statement "every job can clear and they are viable" If every job was viable then you didnt have to nerf the encounter.

Then when it was tested. Did the dps of the team play every dps for this encounter