Lottery Screenshot Speaks for Itself...

Ppl in this thread acting like you couldnt just "X X down down X" while watching netflix on the other screen lol, insinuating the only way to do it was to use an auto clicker. Just cause you didnt want to put the effort in doesnt mean everyone who did cheated to do so. You couldve had 1/4 odds on a house, afking in the process, and in the pursuit of "fairness" now you're dealing with 1/200 odds, which will proceed to climb higher over time. Enjoy :)

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Ppl in this thread acting like you couldnt just "X X down down X" while watching netflix on the other screen lol, insinuating the only way to do it was to use an auto clicker. Just cause you didnt want to put the effort in doesnt mean everyone who did cheated to do so. You couldve had 1/4 odds on a house, afking in the process, and in the pursuit of "fairness" now you're dealing with 1/200 odds, which will proceed to climb higher over time. Enjoy :)

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Clicking took more often than not TEN HOURS or more on an invisible timer. People have jobs, kids, pets, other obligations. That is not sustainable for anyone. "you didnt want to put the effort in doesnt mean everyone who did cheated to do so." I'm glad you had the time, energy, and lack of obligation to maintain that, but not everyone did. It is very tone deaf to sit and say people didn't put in enough effort into a system that was pretty actively wasting people's time because botting was so rampant.

The placard clicking didn't work, but this lottery system doesn't work for different reasons. Feels entirely like an artificial supply issue.

In my opinion, it should be fair. There is very little logical reason housing needs to be this limited when they advertise it as much as they* do.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Ppl in this thread acting like you couldnt just "X X down down X" while watching netflix on the other screen lol, insinuating the only way to do it was to use an auto clicker. Just cause you didnt want to put the effort in doesnt mean everyone who did cheated to do so. You couldve had 1/4 odds on a house, afking in the process, and in the pursuit of "fairness" now you're dealing with 1/200 odds, which will proceed to climb higher over time. Enjoy :)

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The placard timer was a variable ratio experiment in real time and encouraged unhealthy behaviors linked to gambling addiction. It hopefully will never return.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

You couldve had 1/4 odds on a house

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Maybe if you were on a JP world. I don't think JP players understand how congested all of the NA worlds are. NA populations are double the JP populations. SE had to give up marking any of our worlds as Congested because they are all Congested. It's not unusual for them to restrict character creation to a single world per data center during our peak playing hours.

Competition for houses on NA worlds was much higher when placard camping was a thing. You were lucky if you were only competing against 20 others. There was one day I went by a small plot that was available and there were so many players present they wouldn't all render at the same time (they would appear and disappear as I moved around, same as what is sometimes seen at crowded hunt trains). Players could spend 6 hours a day camping for weeks and still not get a plot.

That was still better than the odds of getting a plot now, but it was also a loss of a considerable amount of time that could have been spent playing the game or doing things away from the controller/keyboard.

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Originally Posted by ballprince

Clicking took more often than not TEN HOURS or more on an invisible timer. People have jobs, kids, pets, other obligations. That is not sustainable for anyone. "you didnt want to put the effort in doesnt mean everyone who did cheated to do so." I'm glad you had the time, energy, and lack of obligation to maintain that, but not everyone did. It is very tone deaf to sit and say people didn't put in enough effort into a system that was pretty actively wasting people's time because botting was so rampant.

The placard clicking didn't work, but this lottery system doesn't work for different reasons. Feels entirely like an artificial supply issue.

In my opinion, it should be fair. There is very little logical reason housing needs to be this limited when they advertise it as much as they* do.

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Only dumb people clicked for more then 2 Hours on the Placard. Everyone else had knowledge about the "Bell Curve" Prime Time.

Most of the plots could be narrowed down to a frame within 4 hours (so called "Prime Time") where most of the Plots were opening for a successfull buy.
There would be outlier but a large amount of them were buyable within this certain timeframe.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Only dumb people clicked for more then 2 Hours on the Placard. Everyone else had knowledge about the "Bell Curve" Prime Time.

Most of the plots could be narrowed down to a frame within 4 hours (so called "Prime Time") where most of the Plots were opening for a successfull buy.
There would be outlier but a large amount of them were buyable within this certain timeframe.

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The high and mighty attitude is weird. And rude. I know plenty of people who clicked longer than that.

There is no defending a system like that to me. It was an awful system that did nothing to stop botters, and did nothing as far as "fairness" over first come first serve, it only rewarded people in the right time and place.

I didn't even mention the relocating people could do. Relo a plot where everyone has been clicking for however long, get it instantly. New plot opens, yeah, but it's an entirely restarted timer.

"Only dumb people" sounds like people you don't agree with. Maybe open your world view a little bit and not be so rude next time. What you and others know is not always the same.

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Originally Posted by ballprince

The high and mighty attitude is weird. And rude. I know plenty of people who clicked longer than that.

There is no defending a system like that to me. It was an awful system that did nothing to stop botters, and did nothing as far as "fairness" over first come first serve, it only rewarded people in the right time and place.

I didn't even mention the relocating people could do. Relo a plot where everyone has been clicking for however long, get it instantly. New plot opens, yeah, but it's an entirely restarted timer.

"Only dumb people" sounds like people you don't agree with. Maybe open your world view a little bit and not be so rude next time. What you and others know is not always the same.

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You can call me rude. I still stand what I wrote. Yes, the Placard clicking was god awful. But People who wasted 12 hours at a Plot clicking?
No pity for those if they could have invested 5 Minutes of this time for research and openly available information to get better chances at winning even with clicking.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Only dumb people clicked for more then 2 Hours on the Placard. Everyone else had knowledge about the "Bell Curve" Prime Time.

Most of the plots could be narrowed down to a frame within 4 hours (so called "Prime Time") where most of the Plots were opening for a successfull buy.
There would be outlier but a large amount of them were buyable within this certain timeframe.

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That only worked if you knew when the plot popped. On my server, there often was six or more hours between searches, and it was unclear when the plot came up to start the timer. Also, the four hour window often extended much longer, which was the worst.

I hated the endless clicking, used no bot, but happily got a sweet mist small. I clicked for over 80 hours total and I know that was low. I got lucky.

The only solution here is for adequate wards available to support the population. There seems to be server space for new data centers, so, it is unclear what the hold up is.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Ppl in this thread acting like you couldnt just "X X down down X" while watching netflix on the other screen lol, insinuating the only way to do it was to use an auto clicker. Just cause you didnt want to put the effort in doesnt mean everyone who did cheated to do so. You couldve had 1/4 odds on a house, afking in the process, and in the pursuit of "fairness" now you're dealing with 1/200 odds, which will proceed to climb higher over time. Enjoy :)

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Spoken like someone who's still young lol.

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Originally Posted by SerenityLuministia

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...495a5aa3e1.jpg

Hyperion, Last Private Medium House on Server
Over 540 Entries for 1 House

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Well yeah, that's one of the best plots in the game