Can we get an andro-/gyno-phobia mode added?

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Originally Posted by Vryn

You're scared of people who look like their sex? FF14 is one the most androgynous games around. You can't even have proper beards, and the male customisation lacks to pull off a traditionally masculine character without them looking like they are from 18th century England.

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Gonna nitpick and say that's not a sign of androgyny so much as effeminateness.

That said, still accurate. When I compare to a game like GW2 where I can look like a sexy macho man in so many different ways...and here I am forced to be a liondaddy just to have decent pecs and quads.

I still don't dislike the character designs in this game, and I do appreciate that we have a lot of skimpy clothing options, but I do wish it didn't by design disproportionately fetishize women and let me objectify my own gender as well.

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Originally Posted by SeverianLyonesse

Gonna nitpick and say that's not a sign of androgyny so much as effeminateness.

That said, still accurate. However, when I compare it to a game like GW2, where I can look like a sexy macho man in many different ways, I am forced to be a liondaddy to have decent pecs and quads.

I still don't dislike the character designs in this game, and I appreciate that we have many skimpy clothing options. Still, by design, I do wish it didn't disproportionately fetishize women and let me objectify my gender.

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It is a sign of androgyny that masculinity and feminity are two poles on a spectrum. Androgeny is when it's at value 0 and doesn't have sex characters. So, for example, you don't see men with boobs in this game or wide hips.

They design disproportionality because there is a disproportionate amount of the player base who play as females, and most men and women are perverts because they are human and we like sex.

However, when it comes to the male models in-game, you can more easily objectify them through glamour than create a typically masculine man with a beard. We needed to get Ardberts face in-game to get decent stubble, but it's a Japanese game, so their version of masculinity might be a low T version to the point that they can't grow a simple beard.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

It is a sign of androgyny that masculinity and feminity are two poles on a spectrum. Androgeny is when it's at value 0 and doesn't have sex characters. So, for example, you don't see men with boobs in this game or wide hips.

They design disproportionality because there is a disproportionate amount of the player base who play as females, and most men and women are perverts because they are human and we like sex.

However, when it comes to the male models in-game, you can more easily objectify them through glamour than create a typically masculine man with a beard. We needed to get Ardberts face in-game to get decent stubble, but it's a Japanese game, so their version of masculinity might be a low T version to the point that they can't grow a simple beard.

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Strange enough, my very first complaint uppon playing the game was that "All the races are too pretty." I shrugged it off, thinking that the male elves are supposed to look beautiful like always, male catboys are supposed to be cute, but all races either have cute/pretty-ish faces with only one horribly ugly one, or none at all. even the Roegadyn seem to have primarily pretty faces with one "Oh god what the hell is that" face.

I would sell blood if it meant getting more masculine traits, like Cid.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

Strange enough, my very first complaint uppon playing the game was that "All the races are too pretty." I shrugged it off, thinking that the male elves are supposed to look beautiful like always, male catboys are supposed to be cute, but all races either have cute/pretty-ish faces with only one horribly ugly one, or none at all. even the Roegadyn seem to have primarily pretty faces with one "Oh god what the hell is that" face.

I would sell blood if it meant getting more masculine traits, like Cid.

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They need to add a lot more faces in general. I'd say double the available amount for each race. Basically everyone looks the same to me

No, just no.

What is this fallacy we cling to lately that every person must be appeased, or must be included in everything?

We've gone mad. We're in some sort of mode where we are trying to do this, and it's nonsense, because with seven billion people on the Earth, we're going to try to end up appeasing and including billions of people and all their uniqueness in everything. It's not feasible nor is it realistic.

Not every video game or movie - or whatever form of subjective art you enjoy - can be inclusive of all humans with all of their wants, needs, and existential requirements.

There has to be a line somewhere where we stop and say, 'that's enough'. Some 12% of all humans are affected by some sort of anxiety disorder, and of that 12%, only 7% make up the group that has ever experienced Androphobia or Gynophobia. If we're going to greenlight that, then we had better make sure the far, far more common phobias are addressed first, because equal rights is equal rights. We attend to phobias according to how many people they affect.

Get back to me when the came has adjusted / included those groups that fear drowning, social interaction, heights, spiders and flying. Those phobias account for almost half of all "common" phobias, and the 50% deserve attention before the 7%.

/shrug

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

No, just no.

What is this fallacy we cling to lately that every person must be appeased or must be included in everything?

We've gone mad. We're in some mode where we are trying to do this, and it's nonsense because, with seven billion people on the Earth, we're going to end up appeasing and including billions of people and all their uniqueness in everything. It's not feasible, nor is it realistic.

Not every video game or movie - or whatever form of subjective art you enjoy - can be inclusive of all humans with their wants, needs, and existential requirements.

There has to be a line somewhere where we stop and say, 'that's enough. Some 12% of all humans are affected by an anxiety disorder, and of that 12%, only 7% make up the group that has ever experienced Androphobia or Gynophobia. If we're going to greenlight that, then we had better make sure the far, far more common phobias are addressed first because equal rights are equal rights. We attend to phobias according to how many people they affect.

I was hoping you could get back to me when the came has adjusted/included those groups that fear drowning, social interaction, heights, spiders and flying. Those phobias account for almost half of all "common" phobias, and 50% deserve attention before the 7%.

/shrug

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If they pay for the game, they have every right to express that they would like to see in-game which is not a fallacy. Everyone has the right to an opinion if they can back it up; it is another thing whether you respect that opinion.

There is no such thing as equal rights in a global product. Most rights are not equal, to begin with. In practice, it's not equal or equitable in this case because when you apply a right to a human which is an unequal object, you get a massive amount of variation in how that right is exercised. Nor does it mean that even the most common phobias would work in a virtual setting, such as the fear of heights which is commonly known as the fear of falling, which is impossible in a virtual world. We don't have anything that's a spider in-game either, you can breathe underwater due to a kami blessing and it's impossible in a virtual world again. The game is rigorous in social interaction, considering you also now have the trust system.

why is this troll thread still up

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Originally Posted by Klytania

why is this troll thread still up

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This is the instance where it's hard to tell if somethings a troll thread or not. There are too many people defending the OP for it to be 100% trollage. So it's either a very convincing troll that got support from the community, or it's not a troll and got some support from the community. Either way, Poes Law is in effect here, and there is no way of confirming either.

I can't tell if stuff like this is real or fake anymore....The internet has ruined my faith in humanity lol.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

This is the instance where it's hard to tell if somethings a troll thread or not. There are too many people defending the OP for it to be 100% trollage. So it's either a very convincing troll that got support from the community, or it's not a troll and got some support from the community. Either way, Poes Law is in effect here, and there is no way of confirming either.

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Troll or incredibly stupid idea. Either way, it's a useless thread