suspending people for using emotes/fireworks after defeating an opponent is ludicrous

Apparently this is more important to them than catching cheaters. Imagine the Drake Meme > Drake A say "Nice Job" - NO, Drake B say "Let's cheat" - YES. Hahaha

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Originally Posted by Neihel

fortnite has a full catalogue of emotes dedicated just for taunting

TF2 gives you an achievement for providing your opponent with a freezecam of you taunting over them

Darksouls has gestures intended for taunting enemy players

if you're going after people for some victory dance in pvp then go for streamers too since they've done worse

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There's a core difference between those games and ff.
Lets say someone blows up your spiderman skinned body in fortnite. You immediately break contact when the match end, you're are taken to a lobby with no other players, and you're expected to que up for again. In ff you're blowing up someones handcrafted character. You break contact from match and you're put into a social hub with people all around you. If you're tilted maybe you make an off hand comment, now someone else is pissed. Im sure you see where this is going.

FF is a social game at its core and preventing a toxic death spiral in the community is important.

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Originally Posted by Nukro

There's a core difference between those games and ff.
Lets say someone blows up your spiderman skinned body in fortnite. You immediately break contact when the match end, you're are taken to a lobby with no other players, and you're expected to que up for again. In ff you're blowing up someones handcrafted character. You break contact from match and you're put into a social hub with people all around you. If you're tilted maybe you make an off hand comment, now someone else is pissed. Im sure you see where this is going.

FF is a social game at its core and preventing a toxic death spiral in the community is important.

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That just comes down to a difference in mental fortitude honestly.

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Originally Posted by iluke77

at this point its the devs way of saying if your going to act like children then be treated like children ..

im sure this is directed not at the taunting of opponent as such but the scum who directly harass and taunt them outside of the pvp match there are some twisted f..ks out there that ruin it for everyone !

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what? why does this have so many likes when it has literally nothing to do with the post? The subject is people using emotes in PvP mtaches, not following people around after the match. This rule clearly isn't "directed" to those people. They could just make a rule against stalking?? How does no emotes in matches prevent stalking?

Anybody who gets offended by fireworks or a taunt after being defeated in a freaking video game needs a serious reality check, and Square should not coddle these sheltered little snowflakes. Guess what, being offended doesn't automatically mean anyone actually did something wrong. I mean sure, I rage sometimes when I get owned but I don't want ppl to actually get banned over having a bit of fun, that's downright disgusting.

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Originally Posted by iluke77

at this point its the devs way of saying if your going to act like children then be treated like children ..

im sure this is directed not at the taunting of opponent as such but the scum who directly harass and taunt them outside of the pvp match there are some twisted f..ks out there that ruin it for everyone !

im not a fan of pvp in general but i do like the new pvp mode but i yell at the screen.. i dont say nothing in chat and once the match is over its over on to the next !!

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This is the biggest load of crap. PvP smack talk has been a staple of PvP since the dawn of time. Not even just pvp, but also competitive sports in real life. If you are so thin-skinned you just can't handle it, you are going to have a rough time in life.

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Originally Posted by Karasio

That just comes down to a difference in mental fortitude honestly.

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No, it's a difference in game cultures. FFXIV has always leaned towards a more social, non-toxic environment. And one of SE's stated goals with the PvP changes is to get those who never tried it before, or did and didn't like it, to give it another try. They want it to be more popular within the context of FFXIV, not Fortnite or LoL or any of those other pure PvP games, because they exist for the hardcore PvPers. Otherwise FFXIV PvP stays in the same place it's been for years, with a small group that plays the mode, and the rest of the community ignoring it.

There's no doubt that CC is a lot of fun, but even casual matches can be as bad as ranked, if not worse, since you have no idea of the skill levels of your team or the opponents, and can just as easily get roflstomped, if not easier than ranked. I've been in casual contests that lasted less than a minute, never had that happen in ranked -- at least ranked is a contest, even though one may lose more than win.

People seems to actually need to find things to care and be offended by, and of course, it is easier for SE show that "We actually do something", because when the thing is about unbalanced jobs with the solution being "Buff everything" and all the cheaters/bots in CC and Frontline since the release of the content, they sleep.

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Originally Posted by Wolffriend

No, it's a difference in game cultures. FFXIV has always leaned towards a more social, non-toxic environment. And one of SE's stated goals with the PvP changes is to get those who never tried it before, or did and didn't like it, to give it another try. They want it to be more popular within the context of FFXIV, not Fortnite or LoL or any of those other pure PvP games, because they exist for the hardcore PvPers. Otherwise FFXIV PvP stays in the same place it's been for years, with a small group that plays the mode, and the rest of the community ignoring it.

There's no doubt that CC is a lot of fun, but even casual matches can be as bad as ranked, if not worse, since you have no idea of the skill levels of your team or the opponents, and can just as easily get roflstomped, if not easier than ranked. I've been in casual contests that lasted less than a minute, never had that happen in ranked -- at least ranked is a contest, even though one may lose more than win.

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This is the most important part imo, SE is trying to sell people who are not hardcore PvP players and do not like the culture of BM and toxicity on playing their new PvP game mode. Hopping into a casual match and having people rage at you, spam at you, BM you every time you die when you're just learning, all of that is just going to make the player it's done to just turn around and go back to playing PvE content only. Which, is exactly what they don't want to happen. They want PvP to stop being something that everyone says sucks about this game and has no one playing, they want people to actually fill out the queues without needing constant rewards being provided.