Please grow the MMO part of the game. End game is lousy.

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Originally Posted by Tyjacon

I'll take that wager and raise you 1,000gil.

Your wager is based on personal assumptions and speculation without a shred of proof.

And talking about assumption;
All the computers are going to crash on Y2K, didn't happen.
Life was going to end with the end of the Mayan calendar, it didn't.

Why don't we just wait and see.

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You seem particularly worked up over the fact that people think he's got this wrong over a misunderstanding of the market segment he's targeting. Yes, we might be wrong. And so might he be. Again, SE is not infallible and they have some pretty big disasters to their name; FF14 itself has some content disasters to its name. In the end, we're going to just wait and see anyway.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

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This is never going to be an endgame epeen raider based hardcore game. WoW is over there if you want that garbage. You can also go grind endgame Lost Ark for elveventy-three thousand hours if you want that.

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Good for you. But you're the exception, not the norm. Players who are against paying a sub fee for a single game are not going to jump into XIV beyond Heavensward no matter how solo friendly it gets. Specially when the solo exp in XIV is very watered down and undertuned by jrpg standards.

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Originally Posted by Tyjacon

All the computers are going to crash on Y2K, didn't happen.

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I've met one of the two men who discovered the Y2K problem in the first place. He lived next door to my parents when they lived in Texas and I got to sit and talk to him for awhile. This was a VERY real problem. They had to go before congress to talk about the issue, explain what the problem was and what would happen if nothing was done.

Thankfully it was taken seriously and through a lot of hard work and a lot of money spent across the world the crisis was averted for the most part. But for some reason this idea that people just made a big deal over nothing is incredibly incorrect. It was making that big deal that kept it from BEING a big deal when the day came.

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Originally Posted by Mapleine

Single player hold outs will NEVER play this game, regardless of what you think you can do. The mere fact that this game connects to the internet makes it a no go for most of those people, as an older player who knows scores of these exact people, take it from me.

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I actually agree with you here. It's going to be very hard to convince people that an MMO is not an MMO.

But maybe it will convince some people with the right marketing. We already got the slogan for it "alone or with friends". Some few people might consider it.

If they updated it so the whole MSQ was playable solo, my wife might actually try the game again. She wasn't a fan of running dungeons with others due to anxiety, but she did enjoy the idea of being in a world with other people.

"You can, but you don't have to." is a pretty powerful statement for someone who's on the fence about playing a [traditionally social] game like an MMO.

With so many electronic entertainment options moving to a subscription model, I wouldn't be surprised if people didn't even blink at the idea of paying a sub to play the game. I know I get waaaay more than my sub fee's worth of entertainment time from the game than I do the video streaming services I subscribe to.

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Originally Posted by Hysorn

Well, even though each zone is just a box "connected" to each other, I think what FFXIV really struggle is to make them feel part of the world. I mean, unless you are fate grinding(Which let us be honest, it isn't the most enticing of contents) or doing the MSQ, you don't have much of a reason to be out in the world, it just feels... Kinda dead. Most of my playtime right now is sitting in Ul'dah waiting for queue to pop to level a new job. There are train hunts, but likewise, train hunts makes most of the world bosses kinda trivial.

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True. FATEs aren't the most exciting, though I think the new rewards in the form of the bicolor gemstones were a step in the right direction. Hunts? The server travel kind of killed it for me, plus the discord stuff, now it's just a huge zerg blob of people melting everything in 0.2 seconds before flying off at the command of a 'conductor'. Sightseeing? Neat, though not too much reward, aside from the ARR minion. Maps? Can be good money, though interest in it tapers off.

I enjoy grouping with people immensely but I am also glad that the Trust system exists. Primarily because I am old and inflicted with Arthritis and Parkinsons. I can do dungeons reasonably well but certainly not well enough for some hardcores out there. The Trust system allows me to learn the fights (I always watch where the NPCs go) without being yelled at.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The recent Q&A during the Live Letter revealed that Venat, herself, is ultimately responsible for the Rejoinings. She knew full well that if Emet, Elidibus and Lahabrea survived the Sundering then they would fulfil their duty as members of the Convocation and seek to do everything possible to restore their people and civilisation to what it once was.

Which is something they can't be easily faulted for, given that Venat sat around with foreknowledge of the Final Days and allowed it to happen and then inflicted the Sundering upon the Ancients in a way that left them entirely unaware of why Venat chose to do it in the first place.

I'll be honest - I don't particularly care if Venat was 'sad' over what happened since she is the individual ultimately to blame for the torment of both the Unsundered and the Sundered is...Venat.

I'm also gay, so the whole 'mOMmY sO pReTtY aNd SaD' thing doesn't do much for me, I'm afraid.

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Did you miss the part in which Venat realises that due to the convergence that she must carry the burden of knowledge, we brought to her , for ever knowing that she cannot interfere with the first final days as all that happens after it will lead our character to to her so that she can create become Hydalen to stop the ceaseless enthrallment of Zodairks will and his domination to go un molested

If she were to stop the effect of Dynamis and the final days 1.0 then unsundered wouldn't exist therefore nor would we , therefore we wouldn't go back in time in the convergence to warn of the coming doom therefore nobody would have known the cause as she would have had her memory wiped in that room also and she could have perished or the group she took lead of to create a Hydalen may not have happened and Hydalen would not have been there to keep Zodiark in check which would mean he proceeds to enthral every sentient being on Etheirys as his will demands .


Its a weird end to it all but the time conjunction is what they chose to tell , and its easy to miss points . Im still not totally clear but I agree with the person you replied to and as well as some of your points about the whole saga . The real issue is that it was such a deep complex story it need an entire expansion worth of Acians only but we got HW and SB thrown in and made the entire thing a delayed mess ( probably done so they could actually write the saga finale )

Should spend less time appealing to those who do not wish to play the game they have created, and more time appealing to those who do.

Too many investors become caught up in the making of things addicting or chasing trends then force developers to implement some pretty darn stoopid changes. Will believe my uncle as he has been around for the death of many mmos and brace for the losing of something we all enjoy playing together.

Reminds this lala over here of Dark Souls. No one is playing Dark Souls whilst thinking "I wish I was actually playing something else that looked like Dark Souls." They wish to play more Dark Souls. Fromsoft appears to understand this concept still which is why we are getting more Dark Souls in Elden Ring. Do not make it grindy. Do not make it a non mmo. Make it fun and engaging then the community shall stay.

Or perhaps continue making shallow, hollow, watered down experience as I sit here knowing I am correct yet wishing I was not.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The recent Q&A during the Live Letter revealed that Venat, herself, is ultimately responsible for the Rejoinings. She knew full well that if Emet, Elidibus and Lahabrea survived the Sundering then they would fulfil their duty as members of the Convocation and seek to do everything possible to restore their people and civilisation to what it once was.

Which is something they can't be easily faulted for, given that Venat sat around with foreknowledge of the Final Days and allowed it to happen and then inflicted the Sundering upon the Ancients in a way that left them entirely unaware of why Venat chose to do it in the first place.

I'll be honest - I don't particularly care if Venat was 'sad' over what happened since she is the individual ultimately to blame for the torment of both the Unsundered and the Sundered is...Venat.

I'm also gay, so the whole 'mOMmY sO pReTtY aNd SaD' thing doesn't do much for me, I'm afraid.

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Dont know how being "gay" has anything to do with connecting with fictional characters, because news flash to you, I'm gay too.

Anyway I also like to counter argue Venat having knowledge of the Final Days and not telling anybody by bringing up some important factors:

A. She couldnt non-chalantly bring up the Meteia and the Final Days to all the Amauortines without risking potential premature world wide panic that would have the star fall into despair before they could anything about it.
B. Even if she told everyone, the Amaurotines are an extremely stubborn people who wont believe her without hard proof of the Final Days occurring. Remember they werent able to sense the signs of it due to their lack of sensing dynamis. Also we had a clear example of one such important Ancient denying those claims via Emet-Selch who refused to believe the events that happened with him and their world in the future when the WoL explained the situation.
C. She did managed to gather allies and other people to believe her about the Final Days and were the opposing group behind the summoning of Zodiark. Them knowing that Zodiark wouldnt serve as their best permanent solution to fight against Meteions Song of Oblivion.

And again, who was behind all of this!? Hermes!
Why are we shifting so much of the blame to Venat alone when she was the one who had to clean up his mess in the first place!?
Everyone is to blame for the sundering. If Venat didnt sunder the world, then Zodiark would've continued to sacrifice more of its people for a losing battle because he wouldnt even have been able to deal with Meteion when she was ready to end the universe in the future. It was lose-lose situation for everyone since no matter what the Ancients were done