SE I present you the cloud !

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

That would be your definition of the word competent. I get it, the launch has had some serious problems, while it's not fun for anyone it's also not without precedent as many many game launches have similar issues.

I am not a server engineer however i have played video games since long before online gaming was even a thing, this is not my first rodeo. It's quite obvious to me that these problem happen because if a company provides a server infrastructure so big that everyone has a flawless experience when the servers are at their absolute maximum stress (launch week) then the company is losing serious money for every other week of the games life.

Your position seems to be that SE are simply incompetent, this is a position fundamentaly at odds with the reality of the fact that we are talking about a company that successsfully run not one but two MMO's for 20 years. Nobody should be taken seriously if they suggested that Rolls Royce don't know what they are doing if an engine goes bang, that would be patently absurd.

Your position is clearly so extreme, agenda driven and bias that at no point should it be taken seriously.

I hope that clears up my confusion.

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The difference here though is not that this is a launch specific thing, they had the exact same issue this spring when there was a mass influx of players; at least in europe there has always been a queue since around april/may this year (despite small about 200-300 people over all, which practically meant around 5-10 minutes queue time).
Even at that point it was known the server capacity was too low, to mitigate this SE stopped selling final fantasy. Now they obviously sold a shit load of endwalker licenses and this includes not only a influx of new players but a huge load of previous players that been on hiatus awaiting the new expansion. At the same time they've been driving advertisments and made the "trail/free" version a lot more generous in hope of getting additional people hooked. While at the sametime making little to no efforts in expanding the server infrastructure, now the official reason is the pandemic; yet YoshiP just recently said they _will_ expand the current datacenters with the hardware they _already_ secured, and you white knights still believe this company.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Can they? How would this affect the actual queues if the connection now has to go from their authentication databases which likely are in the same building or at least campus as the other servers, out to a remote lobby to wait, then handshaking back to the data center and world servers. The way the servers work with the login and lobby servers would have to be changed. Those changes would take time to write, test and inevitably implement.

This would introduce new errors, new problems and new calibrations necessary to tolerances like timeouts and error correction. Security concerns are also something to consider. Rather than authentication being mostly local, it'd now have possible vulnerabilities that weren't present before.

So while eventually POSSIBLE.. the question of feasible is still up to SE, and they have said no.

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I’ve no idea, but in order for them to do this stuff requires ALOT of investment in terms of time and money (POCing stuff, re-architecting code, building cloud resources, etc etc) so it’s not a drag and drop your stuff on cloud and boom it works.

So given the age of their code and game engine and all that stuff, it’s probably not financially viable to even ever do it for 14 - hoping that people finish the msq and go play something else is the much cheaper option.

The time to do it would be for a brand new MMO. So they may do it for 7.0 or most likely won’t ever.

Among all the technical ignorance on display lately, I'm just waiting for someone to take the next step and suggest blockchain.

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

I’ve no idea, but in order for them to do this stuff requires ALOT of investment in terms of time and money (POCing stuff, re-architecting code, building cloud resources, etc etc) so it’s not a drag and drop your stuff on cloud and boom it works.

So given the age of their code and game engine and all that stuff, it’s probably not financially viable to even ever do it for 14 - hoping that people finish the msq and go play something else is the much cheaper option.

The time to do it would be for a brand new MMO. So they may do it for 7.0 or most likely won’t ever.

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So.. using your own word: Feasibly.. they cannot and would not. The restrictive factors being cost and compatibility (likely). That's all I am suggesting.

It's not that they don't want to improve service (improving service accessibility increases profits) or that they are trying to cut corners... just that they've likely weighed and measured cost, pros and cons and came up with it not being an option.


Meanwhile OP stands there and acts like they don't even know about the option and it's a viable option to fix things RIGHT NOW.

Feasibly they could look at doing it yes

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Originally Posted by LariaKirin

Among all the technical ignorance on display lately, I'm just waiting for someone to take the next step and suggest blockchain.

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Shhhh!! don't give them any ideas!

Yuck, my post broke.

I mean it’s feasible they could do it, but it would take time and it depends on what their budget is and whether they think it’s worth it. It’s not like they can drop their servers straight onto google and say “yay it works” just like that :)

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Originally Posted by Thoosa

Feasibly they could look at doing it yes

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.. to fix things immediately? And not spend excessive amounts of money on something that won't be necessary in a few weeks? And not possibly cause trouble later or increase the amounts of things that could go wrong that they won't have control over or have direct access to?

I think you and me think of the word feasibly differently.

I can technically get on a plane tomorrow and cart myself to the other side of my country, find a new job and residence and live comfortably.

It is not however, feasible.

Sorry, my post broke halfway through. I have a better answer above. :)

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Look, you seem new here, so we'll let it slide, but you gotta learn quick: this game is a spaghetti-coded mess. Attempting something like this could very well leave the game shattered into several pieces spread across time and space.

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Nope, that is not the case. It was a spaghetti-coded mess in 1.0. They remade the entire game to get rid of the spaghetti code. Of course, the game has technical debt (as any large software in existence) but that is very different from spaghetti code. Even Yoshida said himself in a pre-EW interview that this spaghetti code argument is false.