New summoner is unacceptable

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Like more than half of the opener, the busiest part of your rotation, is just pressing 1 (ruin). The job practically plays itself, with virtually zero room for optimization. There is virtually no fail state either. It's also basically a one-hotbar job.

I sincerely hope Square Enix does not think this is the way to go for all future jobs. This is embarrassingly unacceptable even from a casual perspective.

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Unsurprised. Shb made it obvious that FFXIV was slowly turning into a videogame for people that are bad at videogames and EW just continues that trend.

I wouldn't be surprised if further down the line Ultimates get AoE markers and Echo buff due to casual players feeling entitled to have things handed to them.

Okay. I doubt you'll be missed.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Unsurprised. Shb made it obvious that FFXIV was slowly turning into a videogame for people that are bad at videogames and EW just continues that trend.

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It's as if this is a casual MMO or something! Also, complexity =/= fun more often than you may realize. If people really wanted complex job design, they would be giving us complex job design.

Guess I'll just copy-paste my remarks from a discord discussion into here now that I've actually gotten my hands on SMN. Ignore the fc banter in the screenshots, I guess.
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This feels like it should be a tank class
or what a healer DPS kit SHOULD be, certainly not a kit for a DPS.
nothing compared to old summoner.
and it's just as empty feeling as MCH is, if not worse
radiant aegis is also very useless due to low duration combined with usable with carby only. (should just make it 60s duration since it'll be difficult if not occasionally impossible to time this to be useful with raidwides)
the class also does not change from 80 to 90, so this is how it's gonna play at level cap
for those who don't believe me
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...37/unknown.png
the only 80-90 stuff is traits, and none of them actually change things, only up potency and toss in some pretty FX.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...22/unknown.png
Take away the FX and this job is very shallow.
HOWEVER, at least it's not lore-destroying changes like all the healer ones have been for two expansions.

and before anyone goes "but they're going to build off it"

ShB MCH and healers since SB prove that wrong, right there. as well as general dealings with other classes. things are not built off of in this game when it comes to these simplification reworks, what you see is what you get and what you're going to be stuck with unless JP raises hell or the devs change their ways, and I can tell you right now the latter is never going to come to pass.
TL;DR, I am both angry and dissapointed. And what happened to me with SB AST has happened again with ShB SMN, where my favorite class that I only got really into near the end of the expac was gutted going into the next one.
Also, it's button bloated, and noticeably at that, you could compact the summon trio down to one button that goes ifrit>titan>garuda, Energy Drain+Siphon could be turned into a trait that adds fall off AOE, same for Fester/painflare, and you could merge searing light with the level 2 shield and it wouldn't change a thing. Ruin IV also might as well not exist with how little you get to use it OR be a temp upgrade to Ruin 3. Astral Flow, too could just not exist as a separate button and be merged with the summon skill that it effects. The Gemshines could also be merged with your ST and AOE filler, too.

Take those out, replace them with OGCD heals, and you'd have a good healer, lol.
It also feels like shit because they got rid of the back-n-forth combo thing that added more variety to things. It's now just 1spam the class or 3spam the class. The ONLY, and I mean the ONLY saving grace that'll probably keep people form bitching too hard is the pretty FX, but like I said, what's left when you take those away... something pretty shit if you ask me.
And you're going to hear me bitching for two years about this only for them to fix nothing, so you better get used to it now.
because god knows they didn't pay attention to healer concerns and that was an ENTIRE role, a single class' concerns are certainly going to be ignored comparatively
Also, all the clowns who told me they were going to build off of ShB healers and make them more interesting, especially on the DPS side. They owe me sub time cards. Since the proof is in-game now that such was a lie.
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I could organize it for more clairty but I think it's fine like this.

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Originally Posted by Laphicet

SB MCH mains laugh at you and Healer mains continue to laugh at you and anyone who thinks this. It's not going to happen, once that complexity is gone it's gone for good with this dev team and their constant focus on appealing to bottom of the barrel players.

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Yeah I'm literally a healer main so... I said I hope they do. Do I think it will happen? Probably not. If SMN stays as it is I will play it, if healers stay as they are I will move off of them.

I liked SMN exactly how it was before. They could have changed it's named and invented an entirely new job with this rework. I don't care if people didn't like dots or felt like the rotation was janky. They didn't need to like the job as long as someone else did. What's the point in claiming to design an mmo that has something for everyone then reworking the job as soon as it develops a niche audience. Just look at the removal of monk positionals.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Yeah I'm literally a healer main so... I said I hope they do. Do I think it will happen? Probably not. If SMN stays as it is I will play it, if healers stay as they are I will move off of them.

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But you are literally playing the same thing if you move to Summoner.
A one button class lacking depth.
Like what is the fun in that? Hell, I'm considering switching to Sage because /that/ at least isn't Black Mage or Red Mage.
Just to get a bit of an itch that I need, in order to not be bored out of my mind because they made Summoner basically a healer.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Unsurprised. Shb made it obvious that FFXIV was slowly turning into a videogame for people that are bad at videogames and EW just continues that trend.

I wouldn't be surprised if further down the line Ultimates get AoE markers and Echo buff due to casual players feeling entitled to have things handed to them.

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It's not that the game is turning easy but rather Square Enix are pushing the complexity to optional content and increasing the accessibility of the mandatory content like your rotation and things. IMO anyway :)

I don't really have a problem with this I think. I think I have more of a problem with lack of diversity, especially amongst tanks for example or healers, but the lack of complexity I don't mind. You can make up for that with encounter design imo.

Energy Drain/Fester/Painflare seem archaic to me. Fester and Pain I can work with but Ruin 4 just seems out of place. And the CD for it is too long. Once the novelty goes away you'll see it for how barebones and shallow it actually is.

And as stated previously you will run into MP problems making Lucid mandatory. Because a full rotation is going to cost you half your mana the ability to raise is going to be drastically reduced.

The damage shield overall is a nerf in both percentage and availability. Previous shield was 30% HP and on a 30s recast with 2 charges.

Devotion is twice as long so that's alright I guess.

An issue I have with Bahamut and Phoenix is you must use Bahamut and then Phoenix. You have no choice and you'll want Bahamut for big burst damage. And Phoenix for heals. It is VERY restrictive. Bahamut and Phoenix should be different buttons IMO.

Me, a healer main: "tell me more about how empty, uninspired, and fillery this new rotation feels..."

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