To Mr.Yoshida and dev. [DRK 5.2 Request]

All I want from Dark Knight is for it to get its identity back instead of being a homogeneous copy of the others (looking at you Warrior).

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Originally Posted by John_Milter

Its pretty unlikely that the other tanks would fair better in those situations, Yeah you have a chance with PLD but at the cost of your dps. Its not like being good at a tank really matters when the rest of your team is garbage in the first place.

Also "If I feel the way that I do chances are other people do as well" lmao

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I have ALWAYS fared far better in these situations as a PLD than I have as a DRK, which is what I was conveying with my post. PLD dps is high among tanks, PLD MP gain is great single-target, Clemency heals for huge chunks of life each time. I have outlasted the last 10% of ShB leveling bosses solo. I do not see it happening with DRK. That's just my opinion. People can say "Git Gud" to me all day but honestly, there is nothing about DRK that incentivizes me to Git Gud with it. It's a class filled with busy-work and is only "on-par" with three other classes who don't have the aforementioned busy-work. There is no reward for the extra work DRK requires with all its resource gauge-watching.

Also, I'm struggling to understand what is funny about the sentence you quoted of mine. If you actually think I'm the only person in thousands of players that has this opinion of DRK, you obviously aren't a fan of statistical probability. Do you think you're a unique flower and nobody in the world has ever felt or had the same thoughts as you? The likelihood that I am the only person who feels this way is incredibly low.

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Originally Posted by cactuarzzzz

How about you come up with better idea instead of being rude?

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Dragoon with a greatsword :)

(I actually wish this was a thing)

IMO Blood weapon needs fixing and LD. Dark mind at this point I would be satisfied if it was 10% magical and 10% physical.

Outside of that dont expect any changes to DRK coming in 5.x

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

I have ALWAYS fared far better in these situations as a PLD than I have as a DRK, which is what I was conveying with my post. PLD dps is high among tanks, PLD MP gain is great single-target, Clemency heals for huge chunks of life each time. I have outlasted the last 10% of ShB leveling bosses solo. I do not see it happening with DRK. That's just my opinion. People can say "Git Gud" to me all day but honestly, there is nothing about DRK that incentivizes me to Git Gud with it. It's a class filled with busy-work and is only "on-par" with three other classes who don't have the aforementioned busy-work. There is no reward for the extra work DRK requires with all its resource gauge-watching.

Also, I'm struggling to understand what is funny about the sentence you quoted of mine. If you actually think I'm the only person in thousands of players that has this opinion of DRK, you obviously aren't a fan of statistical probability. Do you think you're a unique flower and nobody in the world has ever felt or had the same thoughts as you? The likelihood that I am the only person who feels this way is incredibly low.

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Your opinion is incorrect, as you can (and I have) solo finished Grand Cosmos and Twinning's last boss on DRK at similar HP percentages.

It's more difficult to do than a PLD as it requires predictive use of TBN and CDs based on knowing what is coming to stop damage rather than reactively healing it via Clemency, but it can be done.

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

I have ALWAYS fared far better in these situations as a PLD than I have as a DRK, which is what I was conveying with my post. PLD dps is high among tanks, PLD MP gain is great single-target, Clemency heals for huge chunks of life each time. I have outlasted the last 10% of ShB leveling bosses solo. I do not see it happening with DRK. That's just my opinion. People can say "Git Gud" to me all day but honestly, there is nothing about DRK that incentivizes me to Git Gud with it. It's a class filled with busy-work and is only "on-par" with three other classes who don't have the aforementioned busy-work. There is no reward for the extra work DRK requires with all its resource gauge-watching.

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I recomend you to level up you lvl26 marauder and unlock GNB before make this kind of statements since you don't really have any idea what are you talking about, i doubting pretty hard you know how to play PLD if you call it more easy that DRK at this point.

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Originally Posted by shao32

I recomend you to level up you lvl26 marauder and unlock GNB before make this kind of statements since you don't really have any idea what are you talking about, i doubting pretty hard you know how to play PLD if you call it more easy that DRK at this point.

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Nice gatekeep. I suppose you aren't allowed to have an opinion on Fisher, or Blacksmith, or Scholar or any other class you haven't gotten to 80 right? So nobody should have an opinion on anything until they show having achieved it? SO, what you're trying to tell us all is that if I had a level 80 Warrior, I would all of a sudden have a more informed opinion on Warrior?

I could level Warrior to 80 through PotD/HoH and Fates alone. I could get a Warrior to level 80 without once turning on my Tank Stance. But I guess that qualifies as an expert to you. It's 2020. There are ways to research a rotation without actually doing it on your character.

This perspective you have is pretty low-IQ. Remember what you said the next time you have an opinion about Politics or World Issues. I'm willing to bet you aren't a political scholar in your real life profession. By your own logic, you don't have a right to an opinion about these types issues, as you aren't an achieved professional in the field.

P.S. When I say the class is "on-par" with all other tanks with no clear advantage, I am literally just repeating what everyone says, including the developers themselves. Unless of course you think that you know DRK better than the developers? This is not my opinion. This is a tenet.

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

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i personally not going to the Healers or any other job sub-forum and put there my opinion about jobs i don't have maxed and without have some knowledge bout how they works and test it my self instead of unga bunga and claim this is bad. you make an affirmation there gentlemen and i pointing you don't have the base to make that affirmation even less to test it since if you cared to level up all tanks you will find GNB have more APM that DRK and WAR have more sinergy on his mechanics to keep an eye, pray the day you touch gnasing fang combo and nascent flash.

your research can be wrong and you can research whatever you want i can research how to drive a car but that doesn't make me have a valid opinion about how is drive one even less how it feels drive a minivan vs a F1 and all of that considering if the research was done properly, opinions have less value if you lack any kind of experience and your research no matter how intensive it was it can be wrong, like Rex says once in clone wars, experience outranks everything.

I don't feel like there's gonna be any significant DRK changes in 5.2 tbh especially with something like adding or reworking abilities. My only real gripe with the job now is Delirium is quite literally just Inner Release but without the big flashy number for my lizard brain but defensive wise DRK is very good and doesn't really need anything else.

Also I saw in OP something about Sole Survivor and while that was a cool looking ability the new Abyssal Drain does what you're asking, just less effective on single target and no MP (which really isn't needed and Carve and Spit already does that).

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

Nowhere did I say my personal opinion is how anyone should gauge where DRK is at on a balance scale with other tanks. My personal opinion is giving the reason why I am not choosing DRK over PLD. If I feel the way I do, chances are other people do as well. To discount personal anecdotes just because they are anecdotes is the hallmark of an intellectual echo chamber mentality. Personal anecdotes are real, because they are how people think, regardless what your flawed endgame metrics show you. You aren't going to change how people think by just saying "You need to git gud", which is exactly what you did using different words. I survive fine with your average PUG healer. I survive better with PLD. That is me. Nowhere did I claim to speak on behalf of all tanks, which means you are arguing against nobody with your snarky comments.

When a ShB dungeon boss is at 10% and DRK is the only person alive, you are NOT going to outlast the boss before you die, no matter how "GUD" you are. The self-heals are just not there. Quit pretending like you will. You at least have a chance with PLD.

You haven't added anything of value to this conversation other than "anecdotes are bad, git gud with metrics or gtfo of the thread". That's snobby and elitist.

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Today I learned that metrics are not a viable way to discuss the game.

I initially started typing up a response to this, but I figured that would be a waste of time, actions speak louder then words. Here's a video of me, on DRK, soloing Akademia Anyder's last dungeon boss, from 100% to 0%. It wasn't planned well, I kinda just threw up a PF asking for help getting there with no plan/no cd map/no idea what I would do and did it. So there are mistakes I would change in another "attempt".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nGUDB9dSmE


Considering the only defensive I acquire above 70 is Dark Missionary, I think I'm fine. I choose Quetzacoatl because he gets damage up stacks, I knew I wouldn't be able to grab all the orbs, and he has many unavoidable raidwides, so he'd probably do more damage than Twinning/Grand Cosmos' boss, both who also sit around casting things all day that I can negate with a CD+TBN.

I am a PUG DRK. I have gone all of ShB without a static. I am an above average player based on metrics. I do not just "feel" things. I try to find facts I can support using a combination of my own experience and numbers, try to eliminate biases/assumptions if possible, and rely on that as a basis for my arguments. My thoughts are not validated simply because I have them. There is nothing wrong with anecdotes, I use them frequently, just look at my first post in this thread. But they are supporting elements, not the primary spearhead of a discussion, and they need to be made out of more than just tissue paper (my feelings) if you plan on using them to bulk up your statements.

A shaky foundation makes a poor house.