crafting is gone

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I just wish during the "crafting revamp" they had finally pulled the plug on shards/crystals/clusters.

They effectively serve no purpose except creating a price floor that people ignore. They are also a major revenue generator for RMT bots.

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They were another closet monster from 1.0 that wasn't put in to 2.0 and onward. The original catalyst system was also crafted (all the fine sand you get from desynth,) that was shard ingredients, used by Alchemists to make shards that could then be made in to crystals that could then be made in to clusters and back again. Go to the market board. Lightning and Wind crystals sell for 100+ Gil each, Lightning and Wind Clusters go for 5 Gil each. That never would have happened in the original system as a cluster was crystals, you just needed an Alchemist to reduce them.

In 2.0 and on, it would make more sense to put those recipes in the Other tab and allow specific classes to create and reduce according to the ones they use, at levels, over just giving it all to Alchemist but either way it would pull the rug out from under catalyst markets. Because yea, I agree with you. 99% of the time, if I am not crafting it isn't material I am short on, it's crystals and I am waiting for my retainers to bulk the numbers back up again.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

I just wish during the "crafting revamp" they had finally pulled the plug on shards/crystals/clusters.

They effectively serve no purpose except creating a price floor that people ignore. They are also a major revenue generator for RMT bots.

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I would love to see the end of shards/crystals/clusters. It's a bad system that exists only to be a relic of 1.0 and a callback to FFXI.

Most of the crafting abilities on his bar have been deleted. They look weird because that's the symbol for "no longer there". People are upset because they were hoping that crafting would get even more complex so that it would discourage others from doing it. The fewer people who craft the more profitable it will be for those that do it. That's why they are complaining. But the truth is that it was never complicated. Crafting has always been easier than combat in this game. There were some who were campaigning for the end to macros and more complexity so that people who were crafters would quit. A lot of crafters honestly feel that having a lot of crafters just ruins their whole day. I've never heard people say that there are too many people doing Savage content- that their whole experience is ruined because deep down, they know that other people are doing it too, but you'll see that all the time about crafting.

Nothing about crafting is hard or has ever been hard. Know what macros do for me? They make it so that I don't have to push 15 buttons. Does it mean that I wouldn't know what buttons to push? No. I'm not a two-year old. Crafting isn't hard. All I have to do is read all of my abilities. Each one comes with a text-box that tells me what it does. A child can craft without using macros, but people are still crying about macros making crafting too easy. I don't get it. I don't even use macros in any of my crafting jobs until they reach level 70. I still have 2 jobs that are 50 and 56. I'm nearly there, but I didn't get where I am because of macros. Macros make such a small difference in my game play that I honestly wouldn't miss them if they did go away- I just don't like the reasoning that I see given from those that want them gone.

Crafting isn't difficult. It is, however, very tedious. It's filled with complexity for the sake of complexity, and I wouldn't miss most of those buttons if they were gone.

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The need of 5-6 skills bars was insane.

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Who uses that many bars? I've never been above 4, including macros, which is about the same as any other class in the game.

I switched class to a DRG recently that I hadn't played in years and most of my skills were greyed out. Confirmed, DRG being removed from the game.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I switched class to a DRG recently that I hadn't played in years and most of my skills were greyed out. Confirmed, DRG being removed from the game.

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I blame Titan.

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Originally Posted by Nomuno

But crafting ISNT confusing or complicated. Problem is people don't read and newcomers just want to plow to max level skipping all the learning crafters did along the way. (especially NOW after the window revamp, you can literally math your way to HQ)

Who are you to tell someone what is important to them in game? How is gil not important? Just because YOU don't care about gil doesn't mean someone else doesn't. Aside from that gil does not and has not EVER added artificial difficulty to crafting. (Well if you're lazy it can) (i.e. don't farm your own mats)

5-6 skill bars is quite an exaggeration, 3-4 FULL bars for crafting skills , anything else and it's self infliction.(and that's including specialist)

aside from all of that, I agree there is no need for 8 precise touches etc. (1 per job) so a lot CAN be slimmed down for that reason alone. However, the rest of the stuff you say is meh

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I don't think I need to tell you who I am since there is a name above my forum profile pic.

Crafting was super bloated and it was about time to trim down all the excess garbage skills it got over the years.
Just because you set up your macros doesn't mean that crafting isn't too much complicated.
It makes zero sense to have all this bloatware.
In game currency is not that important in this game like they are in other MMORPGs. Unless you want cosmetics that is.
Either way they are cutting down all the crapware and I'm quite happy about it.

Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Destati

Man YoshiP why you gotta call me out on that.

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You should put in a report. xD
Yoshi telling you how you should be crafting.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

I don't think I need to tell you who I am since there is a name above my forum profile pic.

Crafting was super bloated and it was about time to trim down all the excess garbage skills it got over the years.
Just because you set up your macros doesn't mean that crafting isn't too much complicated.
It makes zero sense to have all this bloatware.
In game currency is not that important in this game like they are in other MMORPGs. Unless you want cosmetics that is.
Either way they are cutting down all the crapware and I'm quite happy about it.

Please look forward to it.

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No need to sound condescending over someone’s opinion, lol. Just because you harbor disdain and slight hatred for people who took advantage of crafting and/or were hardcore at it, doesn’t mean it was confusing or bad like you say it was. Now, if you’re talking about 2.x and 3.x, then yes, that was when everything was pretty tricky. But now? Pretty simplistic.

You are using the term “bloat” a bit too much, they are simply removing skills that hardly any endgame crafters use, and simplifying them for newer crafters, along with possible adjustments to overpowered moves like prudent touch and delicate synthesis. (Probably will increase amount of CP used or reduce success rate.) Also, Gil is pretty important for people who like to create fun prizes and raffles for their FC, overall making the game a fun place, buying mats, houses, etc....so no.

I’m actually really excited about this patch. It’s really about time they catered to both casual and hardcore crafters. It’s been too long.