Gnashing Fang Combo, one button?

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Originally Posted by Riko_Futatabi

I'd love to see SE work on the macro system more to make it "battle-worthy". Finding a way for them to eliminate the GCD delay would open up macros as something viable to work on way more often.

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• Remove the GCD delay on macros
• Allow a macro to bet put on a hotbar by a set command

And every player can consolidate skills as much as he want to.

Yet, like I said earlier, if you really want to use three different buttons, you can always set the same combo three times. For now, I do that on my DRG since I'm used to separate Chaos Thrust and Full thrust combos on different triggers completely. Thus, True Thrust is set twice.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

It works fine if you're alright with it causing delays.

Stop spreading bad practice.

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The delay is bigger if you put /macroicon in front of /ac
Then yes, it is quite significant delay, but if you put it after /ac the difference between both counts in miliseconds.

Its not as bad as for example playing FFXIV from another continent.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

The delay is bigger if you put /macroicon in front of /ac
Then yes, it is quite significant delay, but if you put it after /ac the difference between both counts in miliseconds.

Its not as bad as for example playing FFXIV from another continent.

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And yet there is still a delay using macros for combat because you're too lazy to press buttons, at 2.4GCD you're losing 0.6 seconds per macro GCD, so you lose a GCD every 4 GCDs, dancer which plays optimally at 2.5 GCD loses 0.5 GCD per macro GCD loses a GCD every 5 GCDs, so it is a significant loss as the fight goes on.

This does not account for any potential delay in the macro activating either or how the macro will handle clipping from oGCDs, or server lagging, commonly found in crafting macros, "cannot execute at this time", which could potentially break combos.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Currently: Spend 3-8 buttons to do 1 thing.
Suggested: Spend 3-8 buttons to do 3-8 things.

If you can't identify the difference...

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That's an overhaul to the entire combat system, balance would need to be considered now that every job has 3 to 8 new actions, each functionally distinct from one another to avoid perceived bloat.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

That's an overhaul to the entire combat system, balance would need to be considered now that every job has 3 to 8 new actions, each functionally distinct from one another to avoid perceived bloat.

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Long as the PPS comes out to roughly the same. Easier said than done, but an easy metric to aim for.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Long as the PPS comes out to roughly the same. Easier said than done, but an easy metric to aim for.

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It's not really about PPS at that point. To keep the abilities functionally distinct at the proposed "3 to 8 buttons do 3 to 8 things" you'd need to decide a new scope for every job or else you end up with abilities competing with, and invalidating, each other like back in the day when you had multiple tiers of Stone available.

I'm not saying it's a bad suggestion or even saying you can't suggest it. But pushing for that kind of a stated goal is asking them to look at the foundation of this game's combat, it's more than "Hey consolidate Royal Authority combo into one button."

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

I'm not saying it's a bad suggestion or even saying you can't suggest it. But pushing for that kind of a stated goal is asking them to look at the foundation of this game's combat, it's more than "Hey consolidate Royal Authority combo into one button."

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We should expect that from a company such as SE.

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

I'm not saying it's a bad suggestion or even saying you can't suggest it. But pushing for that kind of a stated goal is asking them to look at the foundation of this game's combat, it's more than "Hey consolidate Royal Authority combo into one button."

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Shouldn't they be looking at the foundation of the game's combat anyways, rather than just neglecting its increasing shallowness in favor of complacency or asking players just to be likewise complacent and greedily swallow button bloat for its mere illusion of depth?

Yes, that could entail a whole overhaul of the combat system. But for the time being all anyone here is asking is not to have to spend button-space on the mere illusion of complexity when not doing so does not, in any notable fashion save perhaps to those suffering from arthritis or similar handicaps, reduce difficulty.

Call out the deep, dark slippery slope of "Oh, no, the game might actually take some thought and offer a modicum of choice!" however you like, but all that's being requested here, right now, is the choice not to intentionally bloat our bars as the default design has done.

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Originally Posted by Freyyy

We should expect that from a company such as SE.

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The problem with expecting that from SE is you have people who like the foundation of this game's combat as-is. In the worst case, them overhauling combat in such a way would make it significantly worse too. In the best case you'll still have people pining for the old combat system and having no way to enjoy it anymore because the foundational changes needed couldn't really be optional.