Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

The solution is to make the exp reward be dependant on the time it takes to clear the roulette. And do it for all of them.
This way all roulettes would give the same exp/time even if u get bad parties that take forever, it would make the reward bigger.
As long as there are dutys that take 10 minutes and give same exp as other that takes 30, there will always be this kind of problems.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Nope the reward should be worth the effort. Don't buy your point of view. You can get all up in a tuff about it but if the reward isn't worth the effort people won't do it. Pretty simple.



Yes and this point of view has been expressed in other threads like this as well. It's not going to happen unless the rewards make it worth the time and effort as was done with Main Story.

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I agree with this. While I would ALSO like to see there be a system where you cannot queue into the system unless you ilvl is on point (Again, I concur that this would be a lot of work to implement to address this particular issue), the easiest way I can see it being resolved is to give more of a reward based on whichever instance you do end up getting thrown into. The ARR alliance raids are a snooze fest compared to T.G Cid and Hashmal's half arena cleave while dodging Aoe's and everything else in Ultima. As you stated, people are not going to find the reward worth the risk unless this gets more balanced and takes into account that mechanics actually have to be performed correctly to a varying degree in some raids compared to, well, just not doing mechanics in others..

This is the main reason I won't run Alliance Roulette. I'm sick of Syrcus Tower and Labyrinth.
Personally, I feel taking off gear to force these two is an exploit and I'd like to see it stopped because it has to be hurting the experience of newer players who want to experience all the raids.
However I wouldn't be against increasing the rewards, since that seems to be the main argument against change, that the rewards are not in scale with the difficulty of something like Orbonne.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Which won't happen, the system doesn't support that (Level and IL requirements are fixed, there are no ifs and elses for it) and changing it isn't worth the work for a relatively minor "issue". They will much rather just give an incentive not to lower the IL in the form of increasing EXP from newer raids.

Also, if your average DF player in the newer raids wasn't a typewriting chimp, people wouldn't drop their IL so easily. But there's only so many times you are willing to put up with vote abandons and constant wipings for the current rewards.

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I will say this again: the main idea of alliance roulette is to fill all 24m raids (was announced in one of the live letters like that). SE need to change whatever is necessary so the roulette works as intended (like they did with MSQ). As simple as that.

I like doing CT, just don't like how we plow through it now haha.

When I do alliance raid, I want to get in and get out. I'm not interested in spending an hour in the SB raids wiping over and over. So yes, I am thrilled people lower their ilevel (which is not against any ToS) to get the lower ones over and over. It's a quick 20 minutes and great little bit of XP.

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Originally Posted by Driavna

I will say this again: the main idea of alliance roulette is to fill all 24m raids (was announced in one of the live letters like that). SE need to change whatever is necessary so the roulette works as intended (like they did with MSQ). As simple as that.

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Then they can queue for that specific raid and wait. Period.

This exploit pretty much goes against why we have that damn roulette in the first place. I had a friend rejoin the game and he wanted to wrap up Dun Scaith. We were in the queue for well over an hour and decided to give up. As a last attempt, we tried the roulette and prayed, and it threw us right into LoTA. I seriously lost me marbles.

I don't know how SE can address and fix this, but the roulette is NOT working as intended. I will gladly take a nightmare run of Orbonne over any of the Crystal Tower raids at this point. The only thing I can think of is placing a ilv requirement based on your current level to even queue up for it. As an example lv70+ players would need to meet the requirements to enter Orbonne to use the alliance raid roulette. That's probably not the answer, but all I can come up with. I'm still steamed about last night to put any kind of constructive thought into it.

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Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

Then they can queue for that specific raid and wait. Period.

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Why this again? People use the system daily for the rewards; if they queue for a particular raid, they aren't getting the rewards offered by using the Duty Roulette. Those that DO queue up for a particular instance are either:

A) Going through it the first time
B) Going for glamour

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two, which in turn, was supposed to help with queue times for those in category A and B. If this was a single player game, you playing the game in a way that ideally fits YOUR needs would be fine. Unfortunately, this is not a single player game. There are others that do not enjoy the fact that their peers are rigging the system to their particular tastes, thereby forcing the system to register the same instances repeatedly, defeating the purpose of the roulette system.

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Originally Posted by Suniva

Driavna has made it clear in bringing up the points that the system was implemented so that ALL of the raids would be available, not just one or two,

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And they are. At regular ilvl I get Orbonne, Lighthouse, Rabanstare, Void Ark, you name it. People are acting as if those raids are impossible to pop, which isn't the case. The whole discussion is based on annecdotal evidence and "statistics" of 2-3 people :rolleyes: