Burnt out of the healer BS

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07-26-2019, 06:40 AM
Yuyuka3

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

So instead of bringing up the class lagging behind to the standards of the other healers, it's better to balance by making the others worse? So AST doesnt need potency buffs, instead WHM/SCH should be nerfed until they're at AST's level, according to balance.

Glad to see your friend likes new SCH, but I've met people, of all skill levels, that cant stand scholar, look at all the threads on here, and must people have the same complaints. We're not even upset over effectiveness or about being nerfed, just what we HAVE to do. I dont know who wants to spam 1 button all day, but most people I know like to press several buttons.

When the frick did I say that?
I said from the very beginning that WHM needs to be brought up, not the others down. Well, maybe SCH a bit, because dear lord was it OP for a majority of the game and it still continues to be pretty bonkers if you want to see it or not. Btw, WHM also lost a DoT, which apparently is a huge issue for SCH (but not WHM smh) and which was a pretty important one to boot, but, hey... guess that doesn't count at all.

I'm honestly tired of having words put into my mouth...
07-26-2019, 06:58 AM
fantasticm

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Originally Posted by Billythepancake

So instead of bringing up the class lagging behind to the standards of the other healers, it's better to balance by making the others worse? So AST doesnt need potency buffs, instead WHM/SCH should be nerfed until they're at AST's level, according to balance.

No, we should nerf AST so hard it loops back around to being OP. Sort of like Ghandi being so peaceful he ends up nuking everyone in Civ.
07-26-2019, 07:04 AM
Jerichai

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Victim complex, my ass...

Oh boy the baseless assumptions are a flowing! You seem to imply here that anyone who's not been a WHM somehow has it out against your class, when in reality:

1. I remember plenty of vocal ASTs and SCHs over the years frustrated with SE's seeming inability to keep WHM relevant to groups and, particularly in the lead up to Stormblood, were vocal in calling out the dev's inane design with lilies.

2. Of those telling people to "calm down and shut up" there were quite a few self proclaimed WHM mains who were unwilling to listen to the feedback people were given on why the design wasn't working.

The different healer jobs are not opposing factions in some war for dominance. So maybe stop assuming that anyone that doesn't play your class is some bad actor out to get you. It's the mentality of a child that ironically only serves to drive people away from your ideals.

As for your last point: So just because you know someone (real or not) that feels differently, everyone else's opinion is just invalid now? Did you even bother to ask what exactly they like about this iteration versus previous versions of SCH? For all I know, they may be the kind of player that just enjoys playing something easy and/or overpowered...which is certainly how healing has become with SCH's "a tool for every situation" kit. For past SCHs that want some depth with the class, this opinion does nothing to counter their arguments because they're from completely different mindsets.
07-26-2019, 07:05 AM
Jerichai

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Originally Posted by fantasticm

No, we should nerf AST so hard it loops back around to being OP. Sort of like Ghandi being so peaceful he ends up nuking everyone in Civ.

Maybe at some point the potency nerfs become so extreme that AST's spells do damage instead. New caster class, please look forward to it.
07-26-2019, 07:16 AM
Elladie

I have been thoroughly enjoying SCH, my first job to 80. WHM is also a lot of fun. Not played AST much because I didn't enjoy constantly trying to get Balance but even that is more my cup of tea now. I'm a legacy player, been around since 1.0 beta, and I'm fine with the place healers are at.

I understand that you're not, OP, but in the end it's a matter of opinion about what's enjoyable. Folks in my FC and cross world linkshell are enjoying their healers too so I'm inclined to think the forum outrage isn't as widespread throughout the player base as you seem to think. Again, just my opinion of course. But if other people enjoy something you don't, that doesn't make them right and you wrong. However it doesn't make you right and them wrong either. It just makes you and them different.

I'd quite like my aetherflows back as they were but to be honest I've gotten used to it, and it's fine.
07-26-2019, 07:24 AM
Jerichai

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Originally Posted by Elladie

I have been thoroughly enjoying SCH, my first job to 80. WHM is also a lot of fun. Not played AST much because I didn't enjoy constantly trying to get Balance but even that is more my cup of tea now. I'm a legacy player, been around since 1.0 beta, and I'm fine with the place healers are at.

I understand that you're not, OP, but in the end it's a matter of opinion about what's enjoyable. Folks in my FC and cross world linkshell are enjoying their healers too so I'm inclined to think the forum outrage isn't as widespread throughout the player base as you seem to think. Again, just my opinion of course. But if other people enjoy something you don't, that doesn't make them right and you wrong. However it doesn't make you right and them wrong either. It just makes you and them different.

I'd quite like my aetherflows back as they were but to be honest I've gotten used to it, and it's fine.

Could you go into specifics of what you like about this iteration relative to the last? Not looking to be combative, mainly trying to see what makes you happy about the current state of the job.
07-26-2019, 05:12 PM
Sylvain

How to please SCH players base
Split Biolysis on 4 different dots for the exact same potency/min benefit.

job fixed
07-26-2019, 06:56 PM
Rinion

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

How to please SCH players base
Split Biolysis on 4 different dots for the exact same potency/min benefit.

job fixed

Dunno how controversial this is so I'll just see what others say but honestly I quite like the sound of this. I enjoyed having like 4 or 5 dots in ARR =)
07-26-2019, 07:18 PM
Hatstand

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Originally Posted by Rinion

Dunno how controversial this is so I'll just see what others say but honestly I quite like the sound of this. I enjoyed having like 4 or 5 dots in ARR =)

Pop in bane so we can spread it and give us an aetherflow dump and I'd be happy with this. I assume when they say the DoTs will be for the same potency they mean the DoT potencies will add up to equal what we have now. Maybe just a touch more to account for the time spent applying all 4
07-26-2019, 09:25 PM
Rinion

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Originally Posted by Hatstand

Pop in bane so we can spread it and give us an aetherflow dump and I'd be happy with this. I assume when they say the DoTs will be for the same potency they mean the DoT potencies will add up to equal what we have now. Maybe just a touch more to account for the time spent applying all 4

That sounds good as far as the DPS side of things goes ^.^

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