[Spoilers] Eden Feedback Thread

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Originally Posted by Daralii

The Empty comprises 90% of the First. They can only do so much when it comes to connecting arenas with a premise that involves flying over that much of the world.

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They could do plenty better. Edens scale is arbitrary and could have been made plenty large enough to encompass the entire expansions raids while allowing for proper interconnects.

They could have started by having you actually approach and explore Eden directly rather than interacting with it from a massive distance via a randomly placed aetherite crystal. The first boss could have been a proxy guardian outside the entrance to Eden and then could have progressed all the raid tiers with further exploration of Eden and discovery of its nature.

Instead they just lay it all out for you and jump right into it. Again, it’s pretty disappointing to not see some improvements in this area of the game when they did such a fantastic job with ShB overall.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

I have mixed feelings about the raids just being new versions of primals we've fought before. I kind of like the "remix" designs and mechanics, but I also feel a little like I'd have rather seen all new bosses.

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I'm tired of this as well. What's worse is the 3rd and 4th fights have mostly recycled mechanics of the earlier versions with just 1 or 2 new ways to handle them. The 4th boss would have been nearly a carbon copy of the early version of him if he didn't turn into a tank. This seems like they are running out of ideas. SE, please spend some of the money we give you to develop new boss fights.

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Originally Posted by GrandpaPjs

I just got done farming the minion from the 4th boss. Had to kill him 10 times before I won it so I'm pretty familiar with the fight.

Because there is no enrage I am able to carry groups as long as 1 tank stays alive getting 1st or 2nd attempt kills with anywhere between 7 - 23 deaths during the pull where we win. My highest so far has been 23 deaths on a 1st attempt with everyone new to the fight except me.

23 deaths and we still won the fight. The entire party died except me and the tank and I hardcast rez'd them back to life 2 times, then healer LB'd a third time. Fight lasted 12m 30s.

Eden normal mode is too easy maybe? Should I be able to carry groups through the fight with 15, 19, and 23 deaths during the pull? I mean it's fun so I'm legitimately unsure LOL.

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~23 deaths and too easy seem rather odd juxtaposed to one another even within context of what was happening. Their deaths may have come from stuff they shouldn't have been dying to but still on one hand its easy because you can recover from ~23 deaths, on the other hand the fight caused ~23 deaths. Had there been an enrage that likely would have been several full wipes.

Eden is a big step backwards in terms of quality after a great story with the MSQ. And they need to stop doing raids which are just a kind of "boss rush" i mean just one boss after another.
Where are the Bahamut feels ? Where you felt like you were really exploring something and undercovering mysteries ? Eden's heart looks like a copy paste of Omega's room.

Fights are cool though.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

That is literally what they did.

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read what I said, I said complete new zone/area this isn't what they did... they put a small instanced camp its not a complete area like the others... example like the tempest, lakeland etc

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

~23 deaths and too easy seem rather odd juxtaposed to one another even within context of what was happening. Their deaths may have come from stuff they shouldn't have been dying to but still on one hand its easy because you can recover from ~23 deaths, on the other hand the fight caused ~23 deaths. Had there been an enrage that likely would have been several full wipes.

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It was their first attempt on the boss so it's understandable that they would die even if the mechanics are easy to handle. Them dying a lot in this context doesn't make the fight hard I don't think, maybe? What did you think of Eden's difficulty? I beat every boss in the 1st and 2nd attempt with pugs, but only farmed the 4th one since I got loot at the end of every other boss.

I like it more than Omega normal so far, just in that it punishes you for being dumb more.

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Originally Posted by ZellosWilder

read what I said, I said complete new zone/area this isn't what they did... they put a small instanced camp its not a complete area like the others... example like the tempest, lakeland etc

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You expect them to add another 6 zones for a raid? That, uh, that’d be a new one.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Why do you think savage and ultimate is a thing? And there will always be complainers willing to complain about anything. E4N is quite hard blind considering we wiped a dozen times across my two clears so you are definitely wrong there.

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Thanks for proving my point for me. A dozen wipes for 2 full clears on launch day of the main endgame content for the largest part of the playerbase is far too easy. If you wiped that much you probably shouldnt have been able to clear it all on first day. Coil was good difficulty.
Also, the playerbase will never become better if instead the content is always dumbed down to the level of people just kinda clicking skills with their mouse, dodging most stuff, not using consumables, and alt-tabbing out occasionally during the fight to fix their playlist. We need moderate DPS checks, lethal mechanics that matter. I see DPS just stand in AOEs because they dont care, they dont die from it, the healers will cover it, and they just put up their little BLM tent to camp that spot.

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Originally Posted by Conando

You expect them to add another 6 zones for a raid? That, uh, that’d be a new one.

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never said 6...? where are you getting 6 from? 1 new/zone area, yes players shouldn't expect the bare minimum which is what they done for Shadowbringers.

"The Empty" is laziness for a zone I'm sorry but it is just a pointless filler in between going into eden for the fight.