New items on the mog station

It's okay. I mean, they give you a lot free just for playing the game. When they sell the items, its just selling the items, it's not selling gacha with a chance at the item. There's nothing in the game that forces you to buy a cash shop item or face a huge grind, and there is nothing in it that helps with gearing. The only issue I have is that the prices are getting expensive, and that it makes you want to buy less since a mount often costs as much as a full B-tier current generation game.

It's about as decent a cash shop as you can get. I think maybe they could solve it by instead having two-tiered subs. Say you pay $30 a month and you get free stuff every month along with your sub, but its random.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

Was it not Yoshida himself who said that the Mog Shop was going to be a way to reintroduce event items, something that I don't agree with in the slighest...

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There are a vast many MMOs that NEVER gave you the opportunity to get old event items. You missed the event, tough nuggets. Would it be nice if we didn't have to buy them on the cash shop and could get them each year in game, sure, but the fact it's provided at all is better than them going the traditional route and keeping it exclusive to the year of it's release. So in this case if you did the event when it was live, you got it free, otherwise...money if you can't live without those missed things.

However, with the release of the $5 dollar snowcone...no. That's an item I believe should have been made a recurring item like the fireworks. I get that its a housing item and it doesn't have to be consumed but...that one I'm gonna agree is unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by Keridwyn

There are a vast many MMOs that NEVER gave you the opportunity to get old event items. You missed the event, tough nuggets. Would it be nice if we didn't have to buy them on the cash shop and could get them each year in game, sure, but the fact it's provided at all is better than them going the traditional route and keeping it exclusive to the year of it's release. So in this case if you did the event when it was live, you got it free, otherwise...money if you can't live without those missed things.

However, with the release of the $5 dollar snowcone...no. That's an item I believe should have been made a recurring item like the fireworks. I get that its a housing item and it doesn't have to be consumed but...that one I'm gonna agree is unreasonable.

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Actually, and just to clarify (and to remind people), before the Mog Station was introduced you could get past years' event items in-game once said event returned. For gil. That was a way more ethical system for a P2P MMO, especially one that almost died (or died and resurrected, if you like) and that relied on its playerbase's good faith. But that feature was removed once the game was up and running well, with everything that that move implies.

Anyway, greed + people's stupidity leads to what we have now, including the app (and less content, recycled gear, etc.). And things will keep getting worse, because I don't see any change in the players' mentality of "things are fine, it's optional!" :) Guess what? The whole game is optional, including that nice recycled gear that you "enjoy" now. We warned people since years ago, but whatever. Personally, nowadays I barely care, and I just sub a couple of months per year (and it's becoming less and less) to play a bit with friends.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost. Outside of maybe the Chinese items which are indeed commissioned by the branch maintaining their Chinese builds most of the items are done with the resources allocated to this game by SE which will take into account the Monthly Revenue it makes.

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It is when you grossly exaggerate how many things are actually added to the Mogstation. This gets even worse when you claim SE is adopting a F2P policy despite having a sub model. The difference between our cash shop and ones seen in F2P games is staggering. In fact, let's review. Spanning from 4.2 to present day, we have the following new outfits and/or glamour

Tome
Diamond
Ivalice
Swallow's Compass
Quaintrelle's Ruffled Dress / Boulevardier's Ruffled Shirt

In Black Desert, those sets would cost $40. Each. For comparison sake, to purchase that many outfits costs more than six months worth of sub time here. And this does not take into account furniture. That new Mannequin system we're getting? Yeah, you're buying it in a F2P game. Mounts? Every single one of them beyond the basic will typically end up on the cash shop. Which brings me another point. Despite all the complaints, we've actually had only one exclusive mount that hasn't been a Chinese/Korean port: Carbuncle. This also applies to the outfits. Most are overseas ports or cosplays. You can argue the latter, but the devs only ever released them because people wanted to purchase them. That's why, much to many people's annoyance, they aren't dyeable. They're not meant to be rewards.

The only real difference between Heavensward and Stormblood has been more emotes. Regardless, Mogstation isn't even a fraction of what it'd be with a F2P model nor was the subscription ever meant to avoid it. Every MMO, no matter their model has a cash shop. Despite my strong misgivings with how content has been handled of late; my opinions of Eureka are hardly a secret. Let's not pretend we are anywhere near a F2P game, or that our sub fees don't cover a fairly large amount of content.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Anyway, greed + people's stupidity leads to what we have now, including the app (and less content, recycled gear, etc.). And things will keep getting worse, because I don't see any change in the players' mentality of "things are fine, it's optional!" :) Guess what? The whole game is optional, including that nice recycled gear that you "enjoy" now. We warned people since years ago, but whatever. Personally, nowadays I barely care, and I just sub a couple of months per year (and it's becoming less and less) to play a bit with friends.

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You mean recycled gear which was a thing since AAR, before the Mogstation even existed? They didn't just start doing this in Stormblood. And everything is optional. You cannot get around that no matter how hard you try. If they did put things say, Carbucle in the game. Do you think it'll be handed to you in a run of the mill quest chain? No. They'll lock it in Pagos or MSQ Roulette or any other long grind in the hopes of incentivizing that content. It isn't stupidity if people have extra money they choose to spend on luxuries. Unless you think going out for drinks with friends is equally stupid. You'll spent significantly more on drinks at a bar than if you bought a bottle from a liquor store. How people spend their money is their business, not yours. If you don't think the mounts or dresses are worth it, don't buy them. I don't. There is plenty on the Mogstation I'm not willing to spend money on. So I don't.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

You mean recycled gear which was a thing since AAR, before the Mogstation even existed? They didn't just start doing this in Stormblood.

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It was not THAT much. The majority of gear was new, including that coming from dungeons, unlike now.

But as I said, I don't really care. I clarify this, but I have better things to do. I discussed about this well enough back in the day, and I know the replies perfectly fine. I wish you the best with the game :) (No sarcasm, as I hope that people wake up eventually).

I haven't checked the Mogstation in a while, I'm still laughing that a snowcone on the Mogstation is more than a snowcone irl, now we are getting Cloud's bike that will be priced for 30 bucks, for a single mount, not even a two-seater.

Its hard to really justify there prices.

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Originally Posted by Noodle_Trinidad

Our sub covers anything content related for the game from cosmetics to actual gameplay, to say that our sub doesnt lose value when many things that are not part of a promotion are tossed into the Mogshop is not disingenuous given many of these things are made upon the revenue brought upon our sub cost.

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Just because you pay a sub fee, does not mean nor has it ever meant that you're entitled towards everything that's relatable for the game. You're paying your sub fee to have access to PLAY the game, just the game....whatever stuff in the cash shop does not hinder you from doing that essentially and until it actually does, this is just whining.

So basically another emote that I'll wait til it goes on sale to get.

I hope that those that say, that we should not complain that we have so much in the cash shop and at the same time also have to pay our sub too, are also fine with the mog coins in the app. Because its not like we have to buy them right? I am kinda fine if we get those other-regions items in there because they were sold there too (but I still question why those versions need so many items..). I am not fine with quite a bit of the prices.

(And I will never be fine for all the old event stuff landing in there and costing a lot..because there was a point in the past where we got all that with the next event, and as far as I know other games like Rift and I believe even WoW do give old rewards again)

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

Just because you pay a sub fee, does not mean nor has it ever meant that you're entitled towards everything that's relatable for the game. You're paying your sub fee to have access to PLAY the game, just the game....whatever stuff in the cash shop does not hinder you from doing that essentially and until it actually does, this is just whining.

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Doesnt this just give them the free reign to put anything in the shop? Because if its fine as long as people are able to play the game...that will mean that they could do nearly everything and anyone that would complain would be a whiner. So if you can still get PVE gear through raiding and they at the same time put something similiar in this, it would still be fine, because people could still raid without it.

(Also if we are nitpicky, if someone is a mount/pet/glamour collector the cash shop does hinder them, because if they want to collect every single one of them but dont want to pay money, they simply cant. They could have every single mount in the game but could not still have a complete collection because of the cash shop ones.)

I gotta say, they should just keep tge event items around when the wvent comes back. Making you pay for something you paid the development for is dirty.