A "Good Community" doesn't excuse content from being unfun

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Pawlows world?

Connecting one stimulus (for example a bell/content) with another (for example food/rewards) repeatedly will cause the two to get internally connected as well. That sort of conditioning is only temporary, tho - When stimuli become disconnected again (bell without food/content without rewards), the internal connection quickly fades.

It really makes sense that people think that way.

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No, when you get rewarded for doing something, you feel like it's something worth doing, not that it's something that is necessarily FUN to do. When you think of doing any content, in any video game, your first thought should be "I enjoy doing this content", not "I want that reward"

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Well, there are options. Can join the train and grind mobs just to spawn NM's or you could get a party and grind mobs for exp unil an MN spawns, participate, and go back to grinding. There are quests, talk to Krile. This is the point of the content.

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Exactly my point. The choices are grind mobs that don't do anything interesting or do nothing for NMs that don't do anything interesting.

And you can hardly level with the quests when they're spread out between levels. Do they even give experience?

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Originally Posted by RainDurell

No, when you get rewarded for doing something, you feel like it's something worth doing, not that it's something that is necessarily FUN to do. When you think of doing any content, in any video game, your first thought should be "I enjoy doing this content", not "I want that reward"

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What is content in this game that you enjoy doing and why do you find it fun? Just curious to find a basis for comparison.

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

Exactly my point. The choices are grind mobs that don't do anything interesting or do nothing for NMs that don't do anything interesting.

And you can hardly level with the quests when they're spread out between levels. Do they even give experience?

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No, they dont give exp. If quests are ever added to Eureka, the need to be meaningful, not just throwaway daily quests and they need to be done just like the Krile quests and have no markers or quest log. If you want to do dailies, there are Leve Quests, Beastribes, and Roulettes to do.

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Originally Posted by RainDurell

Last I checked, most people didn't enjoy FATE grinding.

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PotD is hands down the most boring content for lvling in, people still do it. Fates died because they don't give enough xp and people flocked to the newest hit Palace of the really boring...running 51-100 or just 51 over and over and over till you hit 60 then you're back to fates and dungeons. Waiting for a dungeon que? 20 mins you say? Better sit there and watch the wind blow grass over go to a fate and pop a bit of extra xp in the meantime.

Not everything in life or in the game needs to be the most fun possible, sometimes you really have to work to get the stuff you really want. I'm sure there are people who hate raiding with a passion but do it for the rewards, same concept applies to pvp or relics or anything in game really.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

No, they dont give exp. If quests are ever added to Eureka, the need to be meaningful, not just throwaway daily quests and they need to be done just like the Krile quests and have no markers or quest log. If you want to do dailies, there are Leve Quests, Beastribes, and Roulettes to do.

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And all of those could very easily fit into Eureka so there's actually something worthwhile to do in there. Hell, I don't even think dailies or leves are the pinnacle of game design, but they're a damn sight better than hitting training dummies that might throw out an easily avoidable AoE every 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

What is content in this game that you enjoy doing and why do you find it fun? Just curious to find a basis for comparison.

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When it comes to battle content, dungeons are enjoyable every now and then, normal mode trials/raids are fun to experience, and I enjoy the extreme content too.
What I don't find fun are mobs that don't do anything except an AoE attack every few seconds, and killing them over and over and over. NMs are like S Ranks, they're big, require lots of people to defeat, but are ultimately also a brainless experience.

Eureka suffers from WoWism, it's junk but the community keeps it afloat

lolfates

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Originally Posted by Aronys

There are FATEs in the overworld that have these as well. Yet, nobody does those anymore, not since ARR.

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I'm not aware of any FATEs that give top-tier tomes. Which are these?

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Originally Posted by Metsonm

And all of those could very easily fit into Eureka so there's actually something worthwhile to do in there. Hell, I don't even think dailies or leves are the pinnacle of game design, but they're a damn sight better than hitting training dummies that might throw out an easily avoidable AoE every 30 seconds.

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Then what would be the point of eureka? Why not just make the relic step like the rest of them where you are spread out all over the current content trying to get light, books, or whatever else they made us do?

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Originally Posted by RainDurell

When it comes to battle content, dungeons are enjoyable every now and then, normal mode trials/raids are fun to experience, and I enjoy the extreme content too.
What I don't find fun are mobs that don't do anything except an AoE attack every few seconds, and killing them over and over and over. NMs are like S Ranks, they're big, require lots of people to defeat, but are ultimately also a brainless experience.

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So all content is boring. Why do you play this game then? Cause what you "don't find fun" is really the core of the whole game. Tell me I'm wrong.