SE... please (an honest DRK).

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Originally Posted by Valdegarde

I'm genuinely curious, why would it be such a bad thing if Dark Knights could get some of their abilities reworked to continue to refine the class, even if such changes don't dramatically alter performance?

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I never said it was a bad thing for DRK to recieve buffs. Though, if I was encouraged enough, I suppose I could go on some tangent about an arm's race, but that's not really what I think.

What I think is such a bad, terrible thing is all the crying and whining on something that isn't a big deal.

Gordias paladin was INCAPABLE of clearing content at the same ilvl as the other tanks, but that is not the case here. Meanwhile, the hardest content ever created was done with DRK. HW PLD literally held parties back, SB DRK doesn't.

Can the job use more a teensy bit of a push? Sure, why not? Does it warrant threads littering the front page saying the same thing and signify the class is destined for failure? Not by a long shot.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

What I think is such a bad, terrible thing is all the crying and whining on something that isn't a big deal.

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When WAR does it, it's 100% justified and absolutely needed for the health of the game, but when DRK does it it's just whining over something that isnt a big deal.

Yeeeeep. If WAR is allowed to throw tantrums and riot over shake it off while still being most likely the best tank in the game at the time (marginal with PLD, but still up there), then DRK is 100% valid in their complaints.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

At one point, Bill Gates was poorer than Carlos Slim.

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At that particular time, if everyone can be Carlos Slim, what's the point of being Bill Gates ?

Bruh, even without getting the job to 70 or doing anything close to high end content, it's not hard to see Dark Knight has some flaws compared to the other tanks. This was pointed out earlier in the thread too. Or maybe in another. I can't keep track of these.

Going through content and I don't remember the last time I got a defensive ability or even something that can at least be called a cooldown (Blind from a Dark Arts buffed Dark Passenger counts as a cooldown, right?) Guess I got The Blackest Night to look forward to, but there are situations where it needs to be paired with something else and I hear stacking cooldowns is usually bad practice, so how is that a sign that everything's fine?

You keep going on about how Dark Knight is the anti-magic tank which is cool except that's not an exclusive niche considering Paladin does that too, so where does that leave Dark Knight again?

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

Guess I got The Blackest Night to look forward to, but there are situations where it needs to be paired with something else and I hear stacking cooldowns is usually bad practice, so how is that a sign that everything's fine?

You keep going on about how Dark Knight is the anti-magic tank which is cool except that's not an exclusive niche considering Paladin does that too, so where does that leave Dark Knight again?

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Stacking cooldowns is not as desirable when both cooldowns do the same thing such as lower damage taken, but in the case of TBN, it essentially increases your HP. In this way, TBN can combine with any CD and not suffer from diminishing returns, so there you go.

I'm not harping on DRK as the magical tank, but rather that so many tank busters are magical, and thus, DRK is perfectly capable of handling them just fine.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

At that particular time, if everyone can be Carlos Slim, what's the point of being Bill Gates ?

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Maybe you like Bill Gate's glasses and how he looks and acts and his personality. He doesn't need to be Carlos Slim just because he has, relatively speaking, a little more.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

Maybe you like Bill Gate's glasses and how he looks and acts and his personality. He doesn't need to be Carlos Slim just because he has, relatively speaking, a little more.

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Sure, but when it comes to how competitive you are on the market, it doesn't really matter how cool you look or kind you are. DRK's "weaknesses" are only a problem in endgame, but it's the only content that really matters for balance, since no one really cares about how you perform in dungeons or trials.

The thing that baffles us is that it wouldn't take much to make DRK as efficient DPS wise and mitigation wise, without touching its gameplay. People have made lots of calculations and suggestions on that.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

Here's why: seen any PLDs in world first for any tier during HW? How about this tier, see any world first for notable content? See what I mean?

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Ah so theres the agenda, everything must be judged on a world first basis. Funny the only thing Warrior didn't win at should be what determines balancing. Everything is subjective, except whoever cleared first. I so hope no one brings dark knight into raid today. Happy patch day everyone!

from my part im not using DRK anymore, i love the job but i will not able this treathment from SE, if i have to tank anything i will only use PLD.

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Originally Posted by shao32

i love the job

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....then play it. Your love cant be that big for it if you switch immediately to pld, only because people whine about it on forums every day.
Afraid of playing non meta comp? You accept samurai and redmages in your group or are they rejected too?

SE isn't really the type of rolling back the stormblood pve-revamp only for DRK, this will never happen. They want their game easier and a bit more casual-friendly, there shouldn't be a tank that is only really useful for magical dmg encounters. Sure you can get your abilities changed, but not in a way that makes a class overly unique and powerful in certain encounters.
You have to ask for changes that will not create an overpowered drk...xD

Eh we should just complain Sole Survivor has little use and maybe they'll throw us a rework. All Warriors had to do was cry about Unchained and IR sharing the same recast and look what happened to them. :)